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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by phainopepla2 »

freedomben wrote: post #151
ralusek wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Gemini is an excellent model, it's just not a particularly great agent. One of the reasons is that its code output is often structured in a way that looks like it's answering a question, rather than generating production code. It leaves comments everywhere, which are often numbered (which not only is annoying, but also only makes sense if the numbering starts within the frame of reference of the "question" it…

Yeah, you may have nailed it. Gemini is a good model, but in the Gemini CLI with a prompt like, "I'd like to add support. What are my options? Don't write any code yet" it will proceed to skip right past telling me my options and will go ahead an implement whatever it feels like. Afterward it will print out a list of possible approaches and then tell you why it did the one it did. Codex is the best at following instr…

Try the conductor extension for gemini-cli: https://github.com/gemini-cli-extensions/conductor

It won't make any changes until a detailed plan is generated and approved.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by basch »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

They will never get better until naming things is a C-Suite level respected position.

I think I could clean up their existing mess if they want help.

Jedd outlines my credentials well here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17522649#17522861

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

I’m not a gamer. But it still strikes me as wild that they let go of the Cortana moniker.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by prmph »

falloutx wrote: post #251
softwaredoug wrote: post #165

It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Micr…

Microsoft can just get one of thier devs to build a coding agent but instead all of these companies are just bowing down to Anthropic just because Anthropic is selling execs a dream situation where they can fire most of the devs. None of the other coding agents are any worse than CC, Gemini & Crush are even better, Codex is decent and even something like Opencode is catching up.

Nah, Claude Code is really that better. I should know, every few months I try to move away from Claude Code, only to come running back to it.

Gemini CLI (not the model) is trash, I wish it weren't so, but I only have to try to use for a short time before I give up. It regularly retains stale file contents (even after re-prompting), constantly crashes, does not show diffs properly, etc, etc.

I recently tried OpenCode. It's got a bit better, but I still have all kind of API errors with the models. I also have no way to scroll back properly to earlier commands. Its edit acceptance and permissions interface is wonky.

And so on. It's amazing how Claude Code just nails the agentic CLI experience from the little things to the big.

Advice to agentic CLI developers: Just copy Claude Code's UX exactly, that's your starting point. Then, add stuff that make the life of user even easier and more productive. There's a ton of improvements I'd like to see in Claude Code:

- I frequently use multiple sessions. It's kinda hard to remember the context when I come back to a tab. Figure out a way to make it immediately obvious.

- Allow me to burn tokens to keep enough persistent context. Make the agent actually read my AGENTS.md before every response. Ensure thew agents gets closer and closer to matching the way I'd like it work as the sessions progresses (and even across sessions).

- Add a Replace tool, like the Read tool, that is reliable and prevents the agent from having to make changes manually one by one, or worse using sed (I've banned my agents from using sed because of the havoc they cause with it).

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by zhengyi13 »

aantix wrote: post #369
paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

Not my experience at all. It fails to be pro-active. "Why didn't you run the tests you created?" I want it to tell me if the implementation is working. Feels lazy. And it hallucinates solutions frequently. It pales in comparison to CC/Opus.

I feel like this is exactly the use case for things like Hooks and Skills. Which, if you don't want to write them yourself, I get it. But I do think we can get the tool to do it; sounds like you want it doing that a little more actively/out-of-the-box?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by silisili »

superfrank wrote: post #310

I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Eve…

One thing I really like it for is if you have a lot of something similar - let's say plugins. I can then just go to the plugins directory, and tell claude something as simple as "this is the plugins directory where plugins live. I want to add one called 'sample' that samples records". Note that I don't even have to tell it what that means usually.

It will read the existing plugins, understand the code style/structure/how they integrate, then create a plugin called "sample" AND code that is usually what you wanted without telling it specifically, and write 10 tests for it.

In those cases it's magic. In large codebases, asking it to add something into existing code or modify a behavior I've found it to be...less useful at.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by skfiehcusjcn »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

People already do pay for it: office 365. It’s just like getting cloud storage with the subscription. OneDrive has been one of the better cloud storage options for consumers.

Also, a great use is Microsoft Forms I was surprised with the AI features. At first I just used it to get some qualitative feedback but ended up using copilot to enter questions Claude helped me create and it converted them into the appropriate forms for my surveys!

Objectives -> Claude -> Surveys (markdown) -> Copilot -> MS Forms -> Emailed.

Insights and analysis can use copilot too.

Main thing to remember is the models behind the scenes will change and evolve, Copilot is the branding. In fact, we can expect most companies will use multiple AI solutions/pipelines moving forward.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by keeda »

wolvoleo wrote: post #98
pjmlp wrote: post #41

That isn't going well for Satya.

Indeed it's not: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing... And: https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commer... Tldr: Copilot has 1% marketshare among web chatbots and 1.85% of paid M365 users bought a subscription to it. As much as I think AI is overrated already, Copilot is pretty much the worst performing one out there from the big tech companies. Despite all the Copilot butto…

Hmm, 8M paid M365 Copilot users leaked in August, and at last week's earnings call the number was 15M.

Assuming the leak was accurate, almost doubling usage in 4 months for an enterprise product seems like pretty fast growth?

Its growth trajectory seems to be on par with Teams so far, another enterprise product bundled with their M365 suite, though to be fair Teams was bundled for free: https://www.demandsage.com/microsoft-teams-statistics/

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by PantaloonFlames »

freedomben wrote: post #151
ralusek wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Gemini is an excellent model, it's just not a particularly great agent. One of the reasons is that its code output is often structured in a way that looks like it's answering a question, rather than generating production code. It leaves comments everywhere, which are often numbered (which not only is annoying, but also only makes sense if the numbering starts within the frame of reference of the "question" it…

Yeah, you may have nailed it. Gemini is a good model, but in the Gemini CLI with a prompt like, "I'd like to add support. What are my options? Don't write any code yet" it will proceed to skip right past telling me my options and will go ahead an implement whatever it feels like. Afterward it will print out a list of possible approaches and then tell you why it did the one it did. Codex is the best at following instr…

I've had the exact opposite experience. After including in my prompt "don't write any code yet" (or similar brief phrase), Gemini responds without writing code.

Using Gemini 2.5 or 3, flash.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by anal_reactor »

anonymars wrote: post #284
anal_reactor wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm "I don't know what Xbox is" years old.

Do you mean Xbox One? Or Xbox One X? Or Xbox Series X? Or maybe Xbox Series S? Seriously, how?

ROG Xbox Ally X.

But I actually had in mind the Windows app named "Xbox".

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