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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by xyzzyxy »

b112 wrote: post #8
mosura wrote: post #4

The inevitable speculation will occur, in which I have no useful insight. I will say adafruit have clearly been heading in a bit of the wrong direction lately. See the misleading noise about arduino, for example. Have to wonder if the whole tariff situation is hurting them and it is causing these ripples.

I did check on archive.org, and the code of conduct is there on March 2025. So they didn't just add it in the last month or so, and then send this notice.

The CoC section seems to have been added sometime between Apr 8 and May 18, 2022 and unchanged since then.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by abracadaniel »

Alupis wrote: post #363
Dangeranger wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See additional context for the accusation(s) here[0]. [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...

My take away from this link is not what Adafruit probably wants. > we told sparkfun they needed to get their house in order > that was the big issue i wanted them to get some hr training on, or _something_ You don't tell or demand another company do something with their own employees. There's more professional ways of dealing with a situation like this. Request a meeting. Send a calm, collected, professional email to…

They seem to have reported it in private and were then banned and publicly accused of Code of Conduct violations in retaliation. Going public with everything would seem to be the reasonable response.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by Alupis »

ptorrone wrote: post #365
Alupis wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take away from this link is not what Adafruit probably wants. > we told sparkfun they needed to get their house in order > that was the big issue i wanted them to get some hr training on, or _something_ You don't tell or demand another company do something with their own employees. There's more professional ways of dealing with a situation like this. Request a meeting. Send a calm, collected, professional email to…

after a decade of dealing with the founder's bullying, i had enough, looking back almost every year there was something. we did handle things privately until it was clear nothing was going to change, the only real change is we cannot buy teensy, a closed source board sparkfun exclusively makes now, maybe they (sparkfun) will stop paying the payments on something that had to agreed to, and have, we'll see.

I understand you're pretty upset with the situation, and I can't blame you.

But I never should be reading about any of this on public forums. It doesn't reflect well on you or Adafruit.

Now an outcome has been chosen for you, without your input. The situation is probably irreconcilable.

That's not the position you ever want to be in. Obviously.

If the situation was untenable, after your reasonable and private attempts, you should have decided to sever ties on your terms. The outcome would have been the same, but you'd be in control of the situation, and wouldn't be permanently leaving things in public view.

I'm sorry for the situation. I'm a real hot head at times, but it's something I've learned (the hard way, over and over again) that I need to control. Business is business...

I hope it works out for you and Adafruit.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by jajuuka »

xyzzyxy wrote: post #320
jacquesm wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one thing I know is that for threads such as this one it is best to ignore all of the stuff from accounts made just for the purpose of participating in the thread.

In this case, given the topic of this thread is targeted harassment in response to public social media criticism, I think it's understandable that some folks might like to participate anonymously to avoid becoming a future target.

You are by far the least subtle sock puppet account.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ptorrone »

Alupis wrote: post #374
ptorrone wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

after a decade of dealing with the founder's bullying, i had enough, looking back almost every year there was something. we did handle things privately until it was clear nothing was going to change, the only real change is we cannot buy teensy, a closed source board sparkfun exclusively makes now, maybe they (sparkfun) will stop paying the payments on something that had to agreed to, and have, we'll see.

I understand you're pretty upset with the situation, and I can't blame you. But I never should be reading about any of this on public forums. It doesn't reflect well on you or Adafruit. Now an outcome has been chosen for you, without your input. The situation is probably irreconcilable. That's not the position you ever want to be in. Obviously. If the situation was untenable, after your reasonable and private attempt…

there was only one product we were purchasing anything in the hundreds of units, the teensy... we had a record sales today, inquires for a new board that is open source, so i think the community and customers have made decisions too.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by throwaway81523 »

alnwlsn wrote: post #174
ptorrone wrote: post #129

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hi, great question. we have to start with something and while the RP2350 is not going to beat a 600mhz m7 it is much less expensive, fast to get, has lots of nifty support libraries available, and will definitely do better than the teensy 3.2 which many folks loved so much (and was discontinued during the chip shortage). this is also a great time to add things that we always wanted in the teensy: SWD debug, built in…

Thanks for the answer. I know many are scared off by the closed bootloader of the teensy (though I feel it's a fair thing to do). The lack of on-chip debugging is another shortcoming the Teensys have. I've been working on an audio project recently, and the the ease of use and feature set that TeensyAudio has is incredible. Teensy 4 does currently fill a pretty unique niche in terms of processing power though. There i…

> Teensy 4 does currently fill a pretty unique niche in terms of processing power though. There isn't much like it outside of professional eval boards.

If I want that much performance, maybe I should think about a Pocketbeagle 2. And almost every embedded MCU these days is sprouting an on-chip "AI" extension ;).

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by doctorpangloss »

Alupis wrote: post #374
ptorrone wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

after a decade of dealing with the founder's bullying, i had enough, looking back almost every year there was something. we did handle things privately until it was clear nothing was going to change, the only real change is we cannot buy teensy, a closed source board sparkfun exclusively makes now, maybe they (sparkfun) will stop paying the payments on something that had to agreed to, and have, we'll see.

I understand you're pretty upset with the situation, and I can't blame you. But I never should be reading about any of this on public forums. It doesn't reflect well on you or Adafruit. Now an outcome has been chosen for you, without your input. The situation is probably irreconcilable. That's not the position you ever want to be in. Obviously. If the situation was untenable, after your reasonable and private attempt…

I completely disagree. Be yourself. And broadly, if you aspire to be in charge, as opposed to a forever IC, be yourself even more!

Adafruit makes an aesthetic experience that appeals to a niche audience. It is not an hockey stick growth company. And even those that are: Everybody makes aesthetic experiences. Nobody needs hobbyist microcontrollers.

Part of the product is being on the “right side” of Internet dramas.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by analog31 »

torginus wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #45

I don’t know what’s going on, but I checked what Teensy is up to these days and it seems that last March they decided to outsource manufacturing and direct sales to SparkFun: https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/sparkfun-to-manufac...

Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

For me, it's the Teensy 4.x boards. I have uses that consume all of their horsepower. I'm just a researcher, and my prototypes will be commercialized by an engineering team that will use the same microcontroller but on their own board and developed under their preferred auspices.

It's the closest I can get to an FPGA within my skill set.

Also, I think that Paul has been exemplary in his contributions to the open source community despite his own product having a closed component.

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