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Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by deafpolygon »

apparent wrote: post #343
deafpolygon wrote: post #194

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My concern here is are they going to start locking features for Pages, Numbers, and Keynote behind a paywall? Yes, it’s free—but will they still have all of the newer features without a subscription?

They'll be pressured by gdocs and other similar products to not keep too much of this behind a paywall. I already don't know anyone who loves using Pages (every time I share a document I have to export it to .docx, which is annoying), so they're already starting off behind by a bit.

I really enjoy Pages, but if they’re going to lock stuff behind a paywall — it might be time to look at other things. I can’t afford to add a whole bunch of new subscriptions.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by einr »

PinguTS wrote: post #118
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #87

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Office 365 - the subscription version of Office - was released in 2011. Microsoft still offers a one time purchase of Office. There is precedent for Bigcorp keeping a one time purchase version and offer a prescription.

Actually, you can buy only the 2024 version of MS Office for Mac, while the subscription is more up to date. You cannot buy a packaged 2025 version.

Because there is no such product as Office 2025, much like there was no Windows 96. There is Office 2004, 2008, 2011, 2016, 2019, 2021 and 2024. They usually release roughly every three years so there might be an Office 2027. 365 is a separate (but closely related) product.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by dgxyz »

movedx wrote: post #352
jwr wrote: post #276

After Apple suddenly discontinued Aperture, which left users like me with huge complex photo archives hanging, I will never trust any professional software tool from Apple again. It is a disaster that I still haven't fully recovered from. I've learned my lesson — all my archives will now be maintained by me, in file structures, with metadata in text files.

Please don’t take this as me saying you were wrong to ever trust Apple, however the best way to organise any data is usually just files on a disk. That’s becoming a recurring theme for me and even some of my corporate clients now. Confluence, for example, is out the window for secure documentation around sensitive environments and Word Docs in One Drive are back in. It’s surprisingly refreshing and gets the job done…

Agree with all of this, apart from possibly OneDrive but that's for another post.

Not Apple-specific really that point for sure anyway. Personally I don't think we should ever ever trust any vendor to control our data or act as a proxy for access to it. If it's not on a physical disk in your hands, in a format which is documented and can be opened by more than one application, then you're one step away from being screwed. There are so many tangible risks we love to sweep under the rug from geopolitics, commercial stability, security, bugs to unexpected side effects. And I've seen some real horror stories on all of those fronts.

At the same time I managed to embed myself thoroughly in it and I'm 3 months in to undoing the mess. It's VERY hard to get back to files on disk. No moving away from that is probably the best option I suspect a lot of us never took.

Hardest stuff to get out of is iCloud/Apple and Adobe.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by dbspin »

bredren wrote: post #305
weinzierl wrote: post #296

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That is true, but it is also true that FinalCut lost big time against DaVinci for all semi-professional users which are exactly FinalCut's main target group. I'd argue that it is very likely that Final Cut X+1 was Apple's plan. It just did not pan out and they were busy with other things. Now they made the first step correcting that (or cutting the losses, depending how you want to see it).

I had thought a main problem for professional video editors w FC had to do with video editor UX philosophy. Something difficult to pivot away from. I’m hand waving there because I’m not a pro but my neighbor is and I don’t recall the details. But I’m curious how you see FC also lost in semi pro to Davinci specifically.

The 'cut' page in DaVinci specifically exists to replicate the FC editing UX.

It's an optional way of editing separate from the 'edit' tab.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by einr »

btown wrote: post #361
jmsgwd wrote: post #270

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How else could you represent piano roll data than as a stream of events? I thought that was ubiquitous since the invention of MIDI. Are you saying other sequencers are unable to render the same data as piano roll and score?

Among professional-ready DAWs, as far as I know, it's unique in its approach. Pro Tools and FL Studio still don't have score rendering or even MusicXML export! Reaper has limited score rendering/engraving support, but minimal customizability. And on the notation-oriented side, you have things like MuseScore, Finale, etc. where there is an event model, but the UI itself doesn't have mature (or any) support for trackin…

Among professional-ready DAWs, as far as I know, it's unique in its approach.

Cubase, surely? I'm pretty sure it has done this for decades unless I am misunderstanding what you're saying.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by weinzierl »

josephg wrote: post #356
bredren wrote: post #305

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I had thought a main problem for professional video editors w FC had to do with video editor UX philosophy. Something difficult to pivot away from. I’m hand waving there because I’m not a pro but my neighbor is and I don’t recall the details. But I’m curious how you see FC also lost in semi pro to Davinci specifically.

Davinci Resolve is free. At least, for the non studio version. (There’s a few studio only features, but almost everything is available in the free version of resolve). And a lot of people want to learn resolve anyway for color grading. Why not just edit in resolve too? Resolve studio is also quite cheap, given you buy it once and own it forever. Including updates. I spent last week helping out at a short filmmaking c…

This, plus:

- The studio version of DaVinci is still affordable should you need it.

- DaVinci has many good tutorials

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by einr »

storus wrote: post #347
Fnoord wrote: post #155

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Sonoma won't receive updates for long any more. Better off switching to Sequoia. It'll give you 20 months to switch away, instead of 8 months.

Each new macOS version brings new restrictions causing some essential apps to stop working or work in a more complicated way so I keep delaying macOS upgrades as late as possible. macOS used to be an OS that lowered my cognitive complexity but that's no longer true these days due to security overreach.

As a macOS sysadmin I feel this in my bones, and of course I don't know what apps are essential for you, but FWIW Sequoia has been basically identical to Sonoma for me. In fact I had to double check what I was running on this computer before writing this because there's just no functional or aesthetic difference that I know of off the top of my head.

(And yes, I'm holding off on Sonoma for as long as possible because... yuck)

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by FireBeyond »

sleepybrett wrote: post #366
jasongill wrote: post #9

It's $12.99/mo or $129/yr for a subscription that includes Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Pixelmator Pro, Motion, Compressor, MainStage, Keynote, Pages, and Numbers Educational discount with verification required drops the price to $2.99/mo / $29.99/yr. The regular-price subscription includes family sharing, education price does not. One-time purchase versions remain available: Final Cut Pro ($299.99), Logic Pro ($199.99)…

Meanwhile the subscription for Adobe Premiere ALONE is 22.99/mo

Yeah, I'm pissed that the Photography plan (Lightroom/Photoshop) has gone from 9.99/mo to 24.99/mo in the last 18 months.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by wilg »

embedding-shape wrote: post #64
jasoneckert wrote: post #51

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The most important benefits in my opinion are choice and price - people like me who prefer to buy software outright can still do so at a reasonable cost, while others who opt for a subscription can also do so (again, at a reasonable cost).

It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers. Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall, b…

I think it's okay, or even better probably, if they move to subscription only. All Apple's paid apps have languished for years and if its actually a revenue stream for them maybe they'll actually make them industry-leading again.
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