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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

simonw wrote: post #173
wasmainiac wrote: post #168

These personal blogs are starting to feel like Linkdin Lunatic posts, kinda similar. to the optimised floor sweeping blog, “I am excited to provide shareholder value, at minimum wage”

What does it tell you that programmers with the credibility of antirez - and who do not have an AI product to sell you - are writing things like this even when they know a lot of people aren't going to like reading them?

Being famous doesn't mean that they're right about everything, e.g. Einstein and "God does not play dice with the universe".

That LLMs advocates are resorting to the appeal to authority fallacy isn't a good look for them either.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by quesera »

loubbrad wrote: post #149
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

> I think there is a section of programmer who actually do like the actual typing of letters, numbers and special characters into a computer... Reminds me of this excerpt from Richard Hamming's book: > Finally, a more complete, and more useful, Symbolic Assembly Program (SAP) was devised—after more years than you are apt to believe during which most programmers continued their heroic absolute binary programming. At t…

Contra your other replies, I think this is exactly the point.

I had an inkling that the feeling existed back then, but I had no idea it was documented so explicitly. Is this quote from The Art of Doing Science and Engineering?

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by oxag3n »

dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

This is a dilemma for me that gets more and more critical as I finalize my thesis. My default mental model was to open source for the sake of contributing back to the community, enhance my ideas and discuss them with whoever finds it interesting.

To my surprise, my doctoral advisor told me to keep the code closed. She told me not only LLMs will steal it and benefit from it, but there's a risk of my code becoming a target after it's stolen by companies with fat attorney budgets and there's no way I could defend and prove anything.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by 12_throw_away »

amelius wrote: post #191
frizlab wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there is a section of programmer who actually do like the actual typing of letters, numbers and special characters into a computer, and for them, I understand LLMs remove the fun part. Exactly me.

Same. However, for me the fun in programming was always a kind of trap that kept me from doing more challenging things. Now the fun is gone, maybe I can do more important work.

> Now the fun is gone, maybe I can do more important work.

This is a very sad, bleak, and utilitarian view of "work." It is also simply not how humans operate. Even if you only care about the product, humans that enjoy and take pride in what they're doing almost invariably produce better products that their customers like more.

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Post by didip »

The paragraph that was started with this sentence:

> However, this technology is far too important to be in the hands of a few companies.

I wholeheartedly agree 1000%. Something needs to change this landscape in the US.

Furthermore, the entire open source models being dominated by China is also problematic.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by senordevnyc »

jcheng wrote: post #364
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

> But what was the fire inside you, when you coded till night to see your project working? It was building. I feel like this is not the same for everyone. For some people, the "fire" is literally about "I control a computer", for others "I'm solving a problem for others", and yet for others "I made something that made others smile/cry/feel emotions" and so on. I think there is a section of programmer who actually do…

> For others, LLMs remove the core part of what makes programming fun for them. Anecdotally, I’ve had a few coworkers go from putting themselves firmly in this category to saying “this is the most fun I’ve ever had in my career” in the last two months. The recent improvement in models and coding agents (Claude Code with Opus 4.5 in our case) is changing a lot of minds.

Yeah, I'd put myself in this camp. My trust is slowly going up, and coupled with improved guardrails (more tests, static analysis, refactoring to make reviewing easier), that increasing trust is giving me more and more speed at going from thought ("hmm, I should change how this feature works to be like X") to deployment into the hands of my customers.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by timmytokyo »

antirez wrote: post #126
vmaurin wrote: post #85

> facts are facts, and AI is going to change programming forever Show me these "facts"

If you can't see this by working with Claude Code for a few weeks, I don't want to go into bigger efforts than writing a blog post to convince you. It's not a mission, mine. I just want to communicate with the part of people that are open enough to challenge their ideas and are willing to touch with their hands what is happening. Also, if you tried and failed, it means that either for your domain AI is not good enoug…

Replace "Claude Code" or "AI" with "Jesus". It all sounds very familiar.

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Post by senordevnyc »

cmiles8 wrote: post #6

The “anti-AU hype” phrase oversimplifies what’s playing out at the moment. On the tech side, while things are a bit rough around the edges still the tech is very useful and isn’t going away. I honestly don’t see much disagreement there. The concern mostly comes from the business side… that for all the usefulness on the tech there is no clearly viable path that financially supports everything that’s going on. It’s a n…

On the tech side, while things are a bit rough around the edges still the tech is very useful and isn’t going away. I honestly don’t see much disagreement there.

What? HN is absolutely packed with people complaining about LLMs are nothing more than net useless creators of slop.

Granted, fewer than six months ago, which should tell people something...

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by senordevnyc »

oulipo2 wrote: post #190
antirez wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't see this by working with Claude Code for a few weeks, I don't want to go into bigger efforts than writing a blog post to convince you. It's not a mission, mine. I just want to communicate with the part of people that are open enough to challenge their ideas and are willing to touch with their hands what is happening. Also, if you tried and failed, it means that either for your domain AI is not good enoug…

okay, but again: if you say in your blog that those are "facts", then... show us the facts? You can't just hand-wavily say "a bigger percentage of programmers is using AI with success every day" and not give a link to a study that shows it's true as a matter of fact, we know that a lot of companies have fired people by pretending that they are no longer needed in the age of AI... only to re-hire offshored people for…

Just dismiss what he says and move on, he's already made it clear he's not trying to convince you.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by 28ahsgT7 »

It is somewhat amusing that the pro-LLM faction increasingly co-opts their opponents' arguments—now they are turning AI-hype into anti-AI hype.

They did the same with Upton Sinclair's quote, which is now used against any worker who dares to hope for salary.

There is not much creativity in the pro-LLM faction, which is guided by monetary interests and does not mind to burn its social capital in exchange for loss of credibility and money.

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