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Post by neves »

twixfel wrote: post #225
leishman wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s controversial is that EU rules force censorship.

It's not that controversial, every single country has limits on speech, including the US. So European countries control a little bit more than the US, largely when it comes to racial abuse and other hate speech. So? The American model when combined with social media and the internet appears to have disastrous outcomes, judging by who has been elected there. It clearly worked in the past, but not any more. Americans s…

Americans have trouble understanding that their free speech ideology isn't universal. That's why your post is being down voted.

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Post by juliob »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #320

> Think of [...] all those "Effective Altruists," who claimed the moral high ground by claiming to care about 53 trillion imaginary artificial humans who will come into existence in 10,000 years at the expense of extending moral consideration to people alive today. That's not an accurate summary of what most Effective Altruists preach or do. The stereotypical EA interventions are "direct cash transfer to super-poor c…

If so, it may be time to re-brand because the niche is what most people now assume.

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Post by hmry »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #268
miroljub wrote: post #260

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As an European I'd be rather tracked by an American (out Chinese, Russian, ...) company than by an EU or European regimes. Those companies are less likely to imprison or censor me than the regime who rules over Europe.

Yes, no imprisonment or censorship happening in the us.

That's really not the point they were making.

You are much more likely to be repressed/harrassed/arrested by your local government than a foreign government. So a local government knowing your behavior is more likely to lead to bad consequences than a foreign government knowing.

Of course, that might change in the future. Hypothetical example, the US government bans you from using any US cloud services because of what you did in private.

Though that's not exactly exclusive to governments either, Google banning you from GMail and Google Docs because of your YouTube uploads is already a thing.

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Post by TrackerFF »

aebtebeten wrote: post #259
ta9000 wrote: post #214

Americans aren’t your enemy. We’re just as upset by these idiots running our government as you are.

> We’re just as upset by these idiots The former soviets were upset with their empire, and got rid of it themselves. Is there any reason you all would not be capable of doing what they did?

There's no mechanism for the people to remove the president.

You can't have a loss of confidence vote that every eligible voter can partake in. There's no coalition system where one part can pull out and essentially dissolve the sitting coalition. No snap election.

By now it should be clear to anyone that the only way to remove the president, by lawful means, is to impeach and remove him. But with politicians choosing party over people, that will likely not happen anytime soon.

The median senator and congressman in the US has a net worth close to a million dollars. Other than in the very unlikely event that the US invaded, they will really never feel the effects of bad presidents.

At worst they will live under the threat of being primaried.

US politics is very much a case of "you've made your bed, now lie in it" for minimum the next 4 years.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm not sure what benefit any country outside of the USA gets for honoring trade agreements that bind them to enforce US anti-circumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. A fortune awaits any country who has the guts to say "you know what, USA, we're going to allow blatantly copying your shit--what are you going to do, tariff us? Oh, wait, you already are!"

They get to sell into the US market.

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Post by nec4b »

zwnow wrote: post #45
rockskon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe wants so very much worse in many cases.

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>>Oh no some immigrant stole something out of my garden

I thought it was more because of them driving over people at Christmas markets, forming rape gangs or stabbing random people on the streets. It's deep intellectually dishonesty like yours that is driving them to that "party". Which is a bit ironic isn't it?

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Post by gordian-mind »

rakoo wrote: post #348
theturtlemoves wrote: post #332

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Wealth is formed by honest people trading amongst each other. Most people are like that.

I'm sorry but this is just too naive. There is no honesty in most people working for a wage that is barely enough to survive, while capital owners don't actually do anything and still receive an inconsiderate amount of money. There is no trading here, just a good old theft of all the produced value with just enough redistribution to buy back the stolen value. No billionaire ever became billionaire by trading anything…

What are we doing here? Are you going around calling people naive for not believing in Marxian economics? None of what you describe applies broadly to today's diverse forms of wealths. Your Germinal view of capitalism is not a groundbreaking discovery, if I may.

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Post by ranyume »

pentagrama wrote: post #274

Reading this from South America, there is another layer that often gets lost in US-centric discussions like this. For many people here, the move away from US platforms is not primarily about surveillance, product quality, or even conscious digital sovereignty in the European sense. It is more visceral and historical. There is a long-standing anti-US sentiment rooted in decades of interventionism in Latin America. For…

South America is a big place, and there are a lot of countries. The situation isn't this simple. For example, Argentina is historically the most anti-US country of all South America, yet it's government and their supporters celebrated the US attack calling everyone who opposed it "communists" (all this while the government allows Chinese goods to be massively imported). Argentina's government will be trying to make a block of countries that are us-friendly (and be their leader of course).

Also, adding context, argentine elites are pro-us, but not as much as Brazil's elites and their supporters (who wear the US flag in protests)

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Post by gordian-mind »

rakoo wrote: post #309
gordian-mind wrote: post #303

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> Western-style billionaires do the former, as their wealth is created by providing services to people I'm sorry but this is just not based on reality. Wealth has always been formed by taking away from those who produce value. No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year. Services aren't provided, they are…

> No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year.

I'm pretty sure that, except a few off-the-grid hermits, everyone, including the fancy communists at an indie café, is constantly asking for a million new kind of clothes. Denying this reality (and other unpleasant ones?) is perhaps what leads you to untrue conclusions.

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #334
beepbooptheory wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. But if "Western-style billionaires" provide peace and prosperity, don't leave us hanging on what's causing all the misery and poverty!

I'd say media and advertising are the most likely. I'm pretty happy with the products I buy, I get good value. No complaints on the billionaires from me

You are aware that billionaires are a very much controlling advertising and media? There is no neutral 3rd party that advertises other peoples products just to shake things up.
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