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Post by vibrio »

slfreference wrote: post #241
nradov wrote: post #236

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Nah. You can't just engineer some sort of pathogen which will survive water purification treatments, or grow and reproduce in pure water without any nutrients. Real life isn't like the movies.

This just means, the addition of the pathogen has to happen after purification treatments. Viruses can stay dormant and activate only within human body, no need for food.

“Viruses” have a very broad feature set-beyond evoking Batman, it seems like a lot of details need to be hammered out here, even residually chlorinated water can be problematic in maintaining titers. IMO, These days, public health policy (conspiracy?) seems to be a more efficient way to spread pathogens. Not precise targeting tho.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

recroad wrote: post #253
elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

nickserv wrote: post #278
michaelmrose wrote: post #260

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Absolutely. The mass bombings of German cities during WW2 would be considered a war crime today.

Not any more they wouldn’t. The precedent for getting away with these war crimes is precisely why Gaza and Mosul and so on keep happening.

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Post by anovikov »

timcobb wrote: post #332
michens wrote: post #329

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History teaches that genocide, ethnocide or ethnic cleansing is the only way ethnic conflicts truly end. For Israel/Hamas conflict, genocide of either party is the only way. So hopefully, there will never be a solution and they will just continue kicking the can indefinitely, because it means slaughtering millions.

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Post by adrian_b »

throw2020 wrote: post #238

Paid for by American taxpayers who don’t have universal healthcare. https://quincyinst.org/research/u-s-military-aid-and-arms-tr...

Indeed, for any non-US citizen it is very hard to understand why USA has always paid each year a significant aid for Israel.

For anyone who has worked in Israel or who has just visited it, there is no doubt that Israel is one of the richest countries and it has more than enough of its own resources to ensure that it maintains its military superiority against any neighbors.

Israel certainly does not need a permanent aid for that, though of course they would be fools to refuse the many billions of $ they receive as a gift from USA.

Perhaps this aid might have been justified in the initial years after WWII, but it has been a long time since the initial reason cannot have remained true.

Now USA claims that it may have not obtained benefits commensurate to its expenses in the relations with many other countries, even if it is much less clear which were the benefits obtained by USA for paying this aid to Israel every year.

A part of the money paid to Israel is likely to return to some US companies that are friendly to the US government, so this is an indirect method for giving gifts to those companies too, but in other countries USA has been able to obtain such profitable contracts for well-connected US companies in a much cheaper way, just by bribing or blackmailing the local governments, instead of paying the contracts in full with US money.

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Post by thrance »

brigandish wrote: post #366
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #357

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> Palestinian society is deeply propagandized and radicalized What definition are you using that trips for Palestinians but not Israelis (or practically any other group in the Middle East outside e.g. cosmopolitan Gulf cities)?

A standard might be: uses suicide bombers. An even more radical form would be: uses child suicide bombers.

All in all, Israel is doing most of the killing here. They have access to more sophisticated weapon, but it's no less barbaric.

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Post by thinkcontext »

elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Colombian narcos have been using drones against the state, they tally 58 dead, 400 injured. This is a big problem that is going to get a lot bigger quickly. Colombia likely can't afford many fancy defenses and anyway they are likely to be of limited effectiveness where there are no front line.

https://archive.md/pW3kL WSJ

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Post by wildrhythms »

nir wrote: post #317
throw2020 wrote: post #238

Paid for by American taxpayers who don’t have universal healthcare. https://quincyinst.org/research/u-s-military-aid-and-arms-tr...

A tiny fraction of the US budget which is almost entirely earmarked to be spent buying from US suppliers but sure, the Jews are the reason you have a malfunctioning health system.

Conflating the state of Israel with "the Jews" is antisemitic. Many Jews do not support the state of Israel whatsoever.

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Post by richardwhiuk »

XorNot wrote: post #280
recroad wrote: post #253

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Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Defensive weapons technology is how you get less conflict though. When some idiot in the ME decides to shoot something at Israel, the character of the response demanded by the population depends heavily on whether any Israelis die or property is destroyed. Israel didn't aggressively bomb Gaza till October 7 killed a lot of Israelis, even though they were regularly shooting down Hamas launched rockets with Iron Dome.…

It’s not clear that’s true. States which don’t fear being attacked are more likely to attack other states

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Post by adrian_b »

nir wrote: post #317
throw2020 wrote: post #238

Paid for by American taxpayers who don’t have universal healthcare. https://quincyinst.org/research/u-s-military-aid-and-arms-tr...

A tiny fraction of the US budget which is almost entirely earmarked to be spent buying from US suppliers but sure, the Jews are the reason you have a malfunctioning health system.

By this logic, if the CEO of a big company with a revenue of 100 billion $ per year steals every year from the company 100 million $ for gifts to some of his/her family members, that does not matter, because it is just 0.1% of the revenue, and perhaps those family members would use a part of the money to buy products of the same company.
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