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Re: Rivian Unveils Custom Silicon, R2 Lidar Roadmap, and Universal Hands Free

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Post by nine_k »

estearum wrote: post #258
nightski wrote: post #209

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I'm really doubting this is the case. It seems much more likely to be due to zoning laws.

It's not really. If you have cheap, abundant land it makes no sense to build densely. Look at Houston with ~zero zoning laws and ~infinite sprawl. "A neighborhood" in a high-sprawl suburb wouldn't be able to support local mixed use amenities because even singular "neighborhoods" are gigantic enough to warrant driving across them. Once you're in the car, why would you go to the place 2min down the road instead of the…

It only makes sense to sprawl like in Houston if you never mind spending 3-4 hours commuting to work and back. Or if you can't afford anything better.

Ask well-paid people who keep renting apartments in Manhattan, or in downtown SF, to say nothing of Tokyo or Seoul.

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Post by nine_k »

tzs wrote: post #281
pastel8739 wrote: post #172

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I very much hope that this doesn't happen. So much wasted energy for so little benefit. What's one to do in this world if they don't have the money to own a car that constantly drives them around? What's one to do if they like becoming familiar with a place, rather than watching place after place whiz by? What's one to do if they want to build relationships with the other humans in the world?

> What's one to do if they like becoming familiar with a place, rather than watching place after place whiz by? They stop at that place and become familiar with it?

Doing it on a highway is not as easy as if you were walking past it.

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Post by billti »

diddid wrote: post #354

Interesting contrast to all this tech is that my wife liked the Rivian, but when I told her they won’t do car play that interest went to 0. Can CarPlay not play nice with these things or do they want to keep all the tech dollars to themselves?

I was hesitant buying my Tesla this year (first one) as I really liked having CarPlay in my prior car (Jeep). But after having it a while, it's really a non-issue. The Tesla Apple Music app is pretty good. Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD). And I can easily just use the bluetooth connection for a couple other minor things I occasionally use.

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Post by nine_k »

echelon wrote: post #318
stephen_g wrote: post #274

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> Public transit is a dream turned nightmare consistently for seventy-five years *In the United States. For reasons we have avoided in much of the rest of the world...

The United States is freaking huge. By the time modern transportation arrived, people were already living all over the country in pockets every which where. We opted for cars and planes to cover the vast distances. And as it turns out, we have some of the best in the world of both of these - and in vast quantities. We do have dense pockets. NYC, in particular, has a nice metro (it just needs to be cleaner and more mo…

In a way, a fusion of both is possible

Autonomous cars that move largely along the same route could form temporary "trains", or rather convoys, moving in a coordinated fashion. That would simplify navigation, reduce chances of accidents, reduce energy consumption, and definitely give the passengers more peace of mind during the commute.

Such convoys would split when needed, join together when needed, notify other convoys and drivers about their route and timing. This would alleviate traffic jams considerably even under heavy load.

At the same time, they would consist of cars and trucks that would be capable of moving completely separately outside highways.

This, of course, will require some kind of centralized control over entire convoys, and a way to coordinate them. Railways and airways definitely can offer examples of how to handle that.

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Post by nine_k »

echelon wrote: post #350
deaux wrote: post #324

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> I'm all for it. You'll survive the tire pollution. Will you enthusiastically support the taxes on you needed to entirely offset this negative externality?

Rubber ppm over some threshold safety level is a negative externality worth maybe a few billion in remediation, healthcare costs, etc. (As a society, we're still not convinced pulmonary health as impacted by particulate inhalation is important - which is a mistake. It absolutely is a big deal and negative externality driving a whole host of bad health outcomes.) Malinvestment into public transit in a way that serves…

California is just uniquely dysfunctional in many ways.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

staticshock wrote: post #356
diddid wrote: post #354

Interesting contrast to all this tech is that my wife liked the Rivian, but when I told her they won’t do car play that interest went to 0. Can CarPlay not play nice with these things or do they want to keep all the tech dollars to themselves?

Direct quote from RJ Scaringe, founder/CEO of Rivian: > This is a decision. It's generated, I said there's many millions of decisions, many of them will never get noticed and they're just under the surface. One of those decisions that's been noticed quite a bit is the fact that we've intentionally not included CarPlay in the vehicle. And that's not to say we don't think a close partnership with Apple is important. So…

Bullshit response. It would cost Rivian nothing to allow Apple (and Android) devices to use the monitor in the car as a second screen to be able to play music and whatnot, they just don’t want to to increase vendor lock in.

They could easily make their screen compatible with Carplay/Android Auto and provide whatever experience Rivian wants to at the same time, and they could let the drivers choose which to use.

And I write this as someone with a Model Y who does not miss Carplay (although it would be nice to have).

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Post by hyperadvanced »

neutronicus wrote: post #349
pastel8739 wrote: post #168

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> This might turn big suburbs from food/culture deserts into the default places people want to live as they have more space for cheaper This will certainly not happen. The reason these places are culture and food deserts is precisely because people drive everywhere and the driving infrastructure requires so much space that it is impossible to have density at the levels needed to support culture.

It already has! Ethnic food has thoroughly suburbanized, as has shopping.

If you think that culture is strictly a matter of consumption this is a reasonable clap back, but it belies its own shallow premise

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Post by ehsankia »

margalabargala wrote: post #294
whimsicalism wrote: post #167

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i think self-driving changes the calculus

Relying on crappy lane keeping and crappy self driving are equally dangerous. If poor software drives you off the road, why does it matter what the feature was named?

Anything before L4 is "driver assist", which means at the end of the day, the buck stops at the driver. Anything beyond L4, the car itself drives without requiring supervision, which makes a big difference. It's your responsibility to use lane assist in a reasonable way, it's not your responsibility to control how an L4 drives anymore. That's the point of self-driving, the "self" is responsible.

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Post by llbeansandrice »

rootusrootus wrote: post #248
llbeansandrice wrote: post #220

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The replies to this comment are very telling. Everyone is highlighting various desires and issues with cars: - Cars are dangerous to people not in cars - Cars require your undivided attention (and even that isn't fool-proof) - Cars are inaccessible: age, eyesight, control operation, etc. - There's a lot of traffic (iow there's a lot of cars) What people are expressing a desire for is more robust public transit and tr…

> What people are expressing a desire for is more robust public transit and transportation facilities that protect everyone: peds, drivers, cyclists, etc. I'm going to take a guess here that you're in a bubble. Most people don't give more than a passing thought to protecting anybody else on the road but themselves and their own loved ones. You could say enlightened self interest means this should extend to random str…

Citation needed.

There’s plenty of evidence that traffic is almost exclusively induced demand and that as you build other facilities and expand existing ones that more people use them. “Just one more lane bro”, etc.

America tends to be car-centric because that’s the only perceived option.

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