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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by strcat »

worldsavior wrote: post #367
strcat wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46185361

Alright, didn't mean to make any libelous claims, it's just so it happens I never saw any evidence from your accusations. I already know these people are the worst, but it would be helpful if in any of your posts you would share some evidence like you did right now.

Where's the evidence for the accusations being made towards me? No need to answer: fabrications and spin on Kiwi Farms and 2 Kiwi Farms adjacent videos on YouTube, which are regularly referenced and directly linked to by people involved with multiple companies and open source projects in the space. Here's a very recent example of the founder of /e/ and Murena once again linking to libelous harassment/bullying content, this time on a blatant neo-nazi conspiracy site:

https://archive.is/SWXPJ

https://archive.is/n4yTO

He's done this many times before and has directly spread Kiwi Farms harassment content himself from his personal accounts along with using the /e/ and Murena accounts for similar attacks. We never picked any fight with /e/ or Murena, they spent years spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS to mislead people into buying highly insecure products and services. They're enraged by us countering that misinformation as we did here with verifiable, accurate information with third party sources you should read too from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz, their own forum (sending sensitive data to OpenAI without consent and falsely claiming it's anonymized when questioned) and elsewhere:

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand...

What is it you think hasn't been adequately proven?

Our chat rooms, forum, etc. are being endlessly raided with CSAM, gore and harassment towards our team. Our team is being swatted and threatened on a regular basis. We're having endless libel and bullying directed towards us including these baseless claims that we're insane. What the people attacking us can point to is that they think our replies debunking it and defending ourselves are too verbose which somehow makes us insane and delusional. Us banning people from the Techlore and /e/ communities raiding our rooms pretending to be users initially then attacking our team with harassment or posting CSAM is somehow us being toxic rather than those communities being toxic. It's not them being targeted with harassment. It's not them having fabricated stories spread about them.

It's you folks making accusations without evidence which simply reference a bunch of harassment content proving what we're saying is true. Linking to that harassment content proves people are doing it since most people can see it for what it is: a bunch of poorly made lies and misrepresentations to target someone with harassment.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by drnick1 »

toastal wrote: post #223
axelthegerman wrote: post #21

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Oh that's one of the best news in the smartphone world in a long time. It's impossible to escape the Apple/Google duopoly but at least GrapheneOS makes the most out of Android regarding privacy. I still wish we could get some kind of low resource, stable and mature Android clone instead of Google needlessly increasing complexity but this will over time break app compatibility (Google will make sure of it) Edit: I do…

> but still I'd like to choose my hardware and software separately interoperating via standards This is why I can’t do GrapheneOS. Pixel devices do not suit my needs (& aren’t available). 2 of the big appeals for my going Android was 1) device options 2) ability to customize (appearance, apps from other sources, root access). Google has basically done everything to prevent #2 & GrapheneOS prevents #1. …This is why I…

The success of an OS is inevitably linked to the availability of apps. A "smart" phone today is basically useless if it can't run either iOS or Android apps. Projects like Waydroid can make Linux phones viable, but since there are approximately zero native Linux apps for phones, you might as well use Android as a FOSS base. This is precisely what Graphene and Lineage do.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by singpolyma3 »

strcat wrote: post #368
singpolyma3 wrote: post #183

The GrapheneOS obsession with picking a fight with everyone else is the most unfortunate part of the project.

The attacks on GrapheneOS from Copperhead and their supporters including within other projects were not a fight we picked. You're pushing a false narrative in support of years of libel, bullying and harassment towards us. Your project's team has regularly engaged in very underhanded attacks on ours despite us never doing anything to you. We have archives of it. Here's an example of what you support by the founder of…

Listing a bunch of projects I've not heard of and attacking me for "supporting" them is exactly the kind of behaviour I'm talking about :P

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by Itoldmyselfso »

strcat wrote: post #363
Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #261

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It doesn't seem to be the entire project, just one dev (afaik) that's quite outspoken and does make accusations that they don't always seem to back with evidence. Also insofar as the actual "product" remains completely untouched by any spats it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for anyone wanting to use GOS, but of course it isn't ideal to have any drama attached.

You're making libelous claims without evidence while falsely claiming that I'm doing it. This typically goes along with baseless claims that I'm insane, delusional, schizophrenic, etc. with links to extraordinarily dishonest content filled with obvious fabrications from a couple serial harassers. One of those serial harassers has an identity verified Kiwi Farms account and was the one who involved them in targeting m…

Don't know if you're replying to a wrong person but my point in the comment was about many of the tweets that get passed around include claims without links to any evidence. The recent tweets I've just seen from the top of my head were in relation to accusations of /e/os and Iode having government ties, but no evidence for that was linked in the tweets. A common person isn't going to go digging where that evidence has been presented if it isn't very clearly available, if at all. It may have a hassle to include it to every tweek, but the impression stands. Also never contested any of the harassment you have received.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by palata »

fsflover wrote: post #281
palata wrote: post #275

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They depend on the Play Service and Play Store, that's for sure. But I'm pretty sure they know it's a risk already. Don't get me wrong: they are locked-in, that's a fact. And to be fair they benefit from all the work of Google on the OS. But that's not a reason to desire to go further and lose even more control.

What exactly are they going to do? Support GNU/Linux?

If Google goes proprietary with AOSP? They could fork AOSP, or go with their own proprietary system (like Huawei is successfully doing).

Linux distros (including non-GNU/Linux distros, e.g. busybox/Linux distros) are way behind for smartphones. I don't think they would switch to that.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by palata »

Xss3 wrote: post #301
palata wrote: post #277

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> Huawei has a whole-ass Chinese government behind it I don't like how Chinese companies systematically get reduced to "it's because the government can help them". The US TooBigTech get a ton of help from the US government, starting with political pressures when other countries want to regulate them. Huawei have really good technology and very competent engineers. It's not the Chinese government that does the enginee…

Equally lets not forget that china sees this as a key strategic necessity for a forced reunification attempt on taiwan, both for national security and the ability to produce chips solo. Two things can be true. They can have great engineers and government money. Theyre not mutually exclusive.

Governments all over the world try to support their economies. It's not just a Chinese thing. How much does the western world invest in LLMs? But for some reason, we only call it "cheating" when China does it and is more successful than us.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by palata »

prmoustache wrote: post #291
palata wrote: post #278

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"You don't need a smartphone, you can just carry a laptop with you" :-)

You don't have to be available on instant messaging 24/7. It is a convenience or inconvenience you decides to have or not.

"You don't need to connect to the Internet at all".

How is that an answer to someone saying that they don't see how they can stay connected without having a smartphone?

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Post by palata »

ranger_danger wrote: post #218
palata wrote: post #167

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Not sure if the big manufacturers would want to depend on a proprietary Google OS. Samsung does make a lot of changes to the OS, for instance.

They could still be given the sources, for a hefty license fee.

Pretty sure that Google sells the Android licence for as much as they think they can. Make it too expensive and the manufacturers will try to move away.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by palata »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #195
palata wrote: post #166

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Huawei proved that they can move away from Android... unfortunately they did not go for a hard fork of AOSP but for a proprietary, new OS.

"they can move away from Android" nah, it still android

You don't know what you're talking about.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by palata »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #309
palata wrote: post #162

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How do you run WhatsApp or Signal without a smartphone? Pretty hard. If your answer is "don't use them", then you're not living in a country where the vast majority of communications are done on WhatsApp or Signal, good for you I guess.

> then you're not living in a country where the vast majority of communications are done on WhatsApp or Signal I live in the USA and use Signal for, like, 3 friends that I also can call or text, and I've never used WhatsApp in my life. So, if you live in the USA, you can absolutely get by without those two. But there are likely other apps that would be more difficult to do without. Not impossible, mind you, just more…

I tell you that if you live in a country where most communications happen on WhatsApp or Signal, then it's difficult not to use WhatsApp or Signal.

And your answer is to give me an example of a country that is irrelevant to my point? How does that help?

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