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Post by BeetleB »

mkehrt wrote: post #340
BeetleB wrote: post #245

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Easy to say until it impacts you in a bad way: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ai-generated-evidence... > “My wife and I have been together for over 30 years, and she has my voice everywhere,” Schlegel said. “She could easily clone my voice on free or inexpensive software to create a threatening message that sounds like it’s from me and walk into any courthouse around the country with that recording.” > “The j…

Testimony is evidence. I don't think most cases have any physical evidence.

A lot of cases rely heavily on security camera footage.

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Post by [deleted] »

esafak wrote: post #227
vunderba wrote: post #198

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Neat use-case, though the sword literally telescopically inverts itself at the beginning of the scene like a light saber where you would have expected it to be drawn from its scabbard. I'd be interested to see how Wan 2.2 First/Last frame handles those images though...

That is an interesting error actually. It happened because both orientations of the sword are visually plausible, but not abrupt transitions from one to the other; there needs to be physical continuity. Here is a reproduction of the Matrix bullet time shot with and without pose guidance to illustrate the problem: https://youtu.be/iq5JaG53dho?t=1125

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Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by LaurensBER »

vunderba wrote: post #327
ceroxylon wrote: post #306

Google has been stomping around like Godzilla this week, and this is the first time I decided to link my card to their AI studio. I had seen people saying that they gave up and went to another platform because it was "impossible to pay". I thought this was strange, but after trying to get a working API key for the past half hour, I see what they mean. Everything is set up, I see a message that says "You're using Paid…

If it's just the API you're interested in, Fal.ai has put Nano-Banana-Pro up for both generative and editing. A great deal less annoying to sign up for them since they're a pretty generalized provider of lots of AI related models. https://fal.ai/models/fal-ai/nano-banana-pro

In general a better option, in the early days of AI video I tried to generate a video of a golden retriever using Google's AI Studio. It generated 4 in the highest quality and charged me 36 bucks. Not a crazy amount but definitely an unwelcome suprise.

Fal.ai is pay as you go and has the cost right upfront.

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Post by minimaxir »

mNovak wrote: post #310
simonw wrote: post #213

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In case anyone missed Max's Nano Banana prompting guide, it's absolutely the definitive manual for prompting the original Nano Banana... and I tried some of the prompts in there against Nano Banana Pro and found it to be very applicable to the new model as well. https://minimaxir.com/2025/11/nano-banana-prompts/#hello-nan... My recreations of those pancake batter skulls using Nano Banana Pro: https://simonwillison.ne…

Does the refrigerator magnet system prompt leak [1] still work? [1] https://minimaxir.com/2025/11/nano-banana-prompts/#hello-nan... .

No, interestingly. (got a similar result as Simon did)

There may be more clever tricks to try and surface it though.

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Post by dkural »

snek_case wrote: post #299
Bjorkbat wrote: post #289

Something I find weird about AI image generation models is that even though they no longer produce weird "artifacts" that give away that the fact that it was AI generated, you can still recognize that it's AI due to stylistic choices. Not all examples they gave were like this. The example they gave of the word "Typography" would have fooled me as human-made. The infographics stood out though. I would have immediately…

I think it's because they're all trained on the same data (everything they could possibly scrape from the open web). The models tend to learn some kind of distribution of what is most likely for a given prompt. It tends to produce things that are very average looking, very "likely", but as a result also predictable and unoriginal. If you want something that looks original, you have to come up with a more original pro…

Do you know of some tools with a parameter that asks it to be "weird" and increase diversity of outputs?

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Post by commandlinefan »

darkwater wrote: post #144
akersten wrote: post #112

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Some days it feels like I'm the only hacker left who doesn't want government mandated watermarking in creative tools. Were politicians 20 years ago as overreative they'd have demanded Photoshop leave a trace on anything it edited. The amount of moral panic is off the charts. It's still a computer, and we still shouldn't trust everything we see. The fundamentals haven't changed.

> It's still a computer, and we still shouldn't trust everything we see. The fundamentals haven't changed. I think that by now it should be crystal clear to everyone that it matters a lot the sheer scale a new technology permits for $nefarious_intent. Knives (under a certain size) are not regulated. Guns are regulated in most countries. Atomic bombs are definitely regulated. They can all kill people if used badly, th…

> a new technology permits for $nefarious_intent

But people with actual nefarious intent will easily be able to remove these watermarks, however they're implemented. This is copy protection and key escrow all over again - it hurts honest people and doesn't even slow down bad people.

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Post by vunderba »

LaurensBER wrote: post #373
vunderba wrote: post #327

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If it's just the API you're interested in, Fal.ai has put Nano-Banana-Pro up for both generative and editing. A great deal less annoying to sign up for them since they're a pretty generalized provider of lots of AI related models. https://fal.ai/models/fal-ai/nano-banana-pro

In general a better option, in the early days of AI video I tried to generate a video of a golden retriever using Google's AI Studio. It generated 4 in the highest quality and charged me 36 bucks. Not a crazy amount but definitely an unwelcome suprise. Fal.ai is pay as you go and has the cost right upfront.

100% agreed. Same reason that I use the OpenRouter API for most LLM usage.

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Post by dingnuts »

mlsu wrote: post #317
Bjorkbat wrote: post #289

Something I find weird about AI image generation models is that even though they no longer produce weird "artifacts" that give away that the fact that it was AI generated, you can still recognize that it's AI due to stylistic choices. Not all examples they gave were like this. The example they gave of the word "Typography" would have fooled me as human-made. The infographics stood out though. I would have immediately…

We are just very sharp when it comes to seeing small differences in images. I'm reminded of when the air force decided to create a pilot seat that worked for everyone. They took the average body dimensions of all their recruits and designed a seat to fit the average. It turned out, the seat fit none of their recruits. [1] I think AI image generation is a lot like this. When you train on all images, you get to this we…

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Post by dyauspitr »

echelon wrote: post #58
dangoodmanUT wrote: post #45

I've had nano banana pro for a few weeks now, and it's the most impressive AI model I've ever seen The inline verification of images following the prompt is awesome, and you can do some _amazing_ stuff with it. It's probably not as fun anymore though (in the early access program, it doesn't have censoring!)

LLMs might be a dead end, but we're going to have amazing images, video, and 3D. To me the AI revolution is making visual media (and music) catch up with the text-based revolution we've had since the dawn of computing. Computers accelerated typing and text almost immediately, but we've had really crude tools for images, video, and 3D despite graphics and image processing algorithms. AI really pushes the envelope here…

Doesn’t seem like a dead end at all. Once we can apply LLMs to the physical world and its outputs control robot movements it’s essentially game over for 90% of the things humans do, AGI or not.

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Post by dyauspitr »

evrenesat wrote: post #73

I've tried to repaint the exterior of my house. More than 20 times with very detailed prompts. I even tried to optimize it with Claude. No matter what, every time it added one, two or three extra windows to the same wall.

Nano Banana Pro is a chatGPT 3.5 to 4 tier leap.
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