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Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by pizlonator »

stavros wrote: post #236
tombert wrote: post #155

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Yep! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D733JFML?th=1 The one I ordered had 32 gigs of memory; this was more than a year ago so I'm sure there are better ones now, but I have to say that I feel like this thing "punches above its weight" in that it does seem to run a lot more stuff than I thought it would at a decent framerate.

Hm, does it work well for games? I have a NUC I could use...

I have one of the higher-end beelinks. Super small, quiet, doesn't get hot and I can play modern AAA titles on it, driving my huge screen TV in my living room.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by zamalek »

The largest hurdle that a Steam console will face isn't kernel-level anti-cheats or somesuch. The real problem is far more idiotic: platform exclusives. Console gamers stereotypically care that their platform has a game that others do not, I have no idea how the reasoning works, but exclusives are a major talking point for OEMs and gamers alike.

While PC likely has the most exclusives by a ridiculously large margin, it probably has the fewest AAA exclusives.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by brookst »

Zhyl wrote: post #351
jaapz wrote: post #270

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> then licensing of the OS to other manufacturers They already tried that the first way around when they introduced steam machines. That didn't really work. The fact that they now took full control is what's exiting about this steam machine.

They tried it without a flagship and without a large library of compatible games. They now have a flagship first party Steam Machine and Proton to run games. They are also working with partners to create 3rd party Steam OS handhelds. If steam machines sell well, we will likely see supported 3rd party offerings.

Yes. It’s the Pixel / Surface / strategy: show there is a market for premium, flagship reference devices and let those guide the second tier manufacturers.

You don’t even have to be the #1 vendor, the reference implementation does a lot of good for the ecosystem.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by stavros »

pizlonator wrote: post #371
stavros wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, does it work well for games? I have a NUC I could use...

I have one of the higher-end beelinks. Super small, quiet, doesn't get hot and I can play modern AAA titles on it, driving my huge screen TV in my living room.

Sorry, I more meant "does Jovian work well?". I have a Beelink ME and love it, but I want a gaming "appliance" OS.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by giraffe_lady »

zamalek wrote: post #372

The largest hurdle that a Steam console will face isn't kernel-level anti-cheats or somesuch. The real problem is far more idiotic: platform exclusives. Console gamers stereotypically care that their platform has a game that others do not, I have no idea how the reasoning works, but exclusives are a major talking point for OEMs and gamers alike. While PC likely has the most exclusives by a ridiculously large margin,…

> I have no idea how the reasoning works

The reasoning works like this: I want to play that game.

hth

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by ethmarks »

pbronez wrote: post #365
ethmarks wrote: post #340

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It's possible that 'adding Linux support' would take the form of just making the anticheat optional. Maybe playing with the anticheat enabled makes you immune to being reported for cheating (because they can verify down to the kernel level that you aren't), but you can still play without it (but without the immunity from being reported). Obviously they wouldn't do this in today's market because there's no incentive t…

Optional anti-cheat could be really interesting. Make it a matchmaking option; let the players decide who they want to play with. This effectively makes "PC without Anti-cheat" a new platform in cross-platform match making. I can imagine a whole scene popping up where everyone cheats to the max, creating whole new game modes.

> I can imagine a whole scene popping up where everyone cheats to the max, creating whole new game modes.

That would be very interesting. I also bet that people would start developing bots that play the game better than a human could and eventually it would essentially turn into digital BattleBots.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by zamalek »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #376
zamalek wrote: post #372

The largest hurdle that a Steam console will face isn't kernel-level anti-cheats or somesuch. The real problem is far more idiotic: platform exclusives. Console gamers stereotypically care that their platform has a game that others do not, I have no idea how the reasoning works, but exclusives are a major talking point for OEMs and gamers alike. While PC likely has the most exclusives by a ridiculously large margin,…

> I have no idea how the reasoning works The reasoning works like this: I want to play that game. hth

That does not, in fact, help. Exclusives not releases. Why care that a game is not accessible on a different platform.

Re: Valve is about to win the console generation

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Post by philistine »

deafpolygon wrote: post #308
napolux wrote: post #221

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SteamOS isn't perfect, but it's "open" to mods like a PS5 or XBOX will never be. As an avid console gamer it's time to go back to my roots.

I don't know -- per Microsoft's recent announcement.. the Xbox will basically be a Windows PC in a tiny package. So, no more Xbox Live needed to play online and you can install other marketplaces on there (such as Epic and GOG).

You're speculating. Microsoft executives have made statements, but we have not seen definite announcements.

Remember when one Microsoft executive said one time that Windows 10 is the last Windows and everyone believed it?

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