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Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by mensetmanusman »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #161
wyldberry wrote: post #139

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"ending last November" - Is the implication that a Trump presidency implies a risk of invasion from the South? Canada has relied greatly on the United States providing a blanket defense guarantee of the continent. The Canadian military is currently operationally worthless across the board, save the cyber domain. There are many reasons for it that I'm not here to list out. However, that does come with grave consequenc…

There were literal statements of annexation. Brushed off by some "that was a joke" but they were made. Lets not downplay that fact.

Let’s not downplay jokes. Lol

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Post by mensetmanusman »

watwut wrote: post #326
wyldberry wrote: post #168

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I personally can downplay them as a joke because it is a joke. The mostly likely path forward for anything like that would instead a certain oil rich province voting themselves independent and then asking the US for aid or to join. And, if it wasn't a joke, then that's even more of a reason to consider meeting your 2% NATO agreement instead of just phoning it in.

They were not joke and no one laughed at them either. They were posturing and trying to be threatening. They were coupled with start of actual trade war and intentional attempts to weaken Canada. Calling them jokes is just a lie, retroactively trying to make it better.

They were an objective joke/troll, but multiple psychological studies on certain mindset patterns under stress show that some are intellectually unable to get certain types of jokes.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

watwut wrote: post #359
wyldberry wrote: post #352

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You really can't weaken Canada much more than it is.

It is irrelevant. It was not a joke and it was coupled with hostile actions. Calling it a joke is massively dishonest and no one laughed or considered it funny at the time

Millions laughed, ergo joke.

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Post by L_226 »

chriselles wrote: post #368
L_226 wrote: post #338

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> For the Five Eyes(Canada, US, UK, Australia, NZ) that don’t ever need to worry about conventional invasion Australia is extremely at risk of conventional invasion, their current independence is a function of alliance to the strongest navy in the Pacific. Without a US that is willing and able to ensure Australia's free access to the surrounding ocean, AU is absolutely unable to deploy enough of their own military to…

I need to push back on your analysis on this. Quite hard actually. Indonesia lacks the force projection capability to even project an expeditionary force into Northern Australia. Sustaining an expeditionary force into Northern Australia by Indonesia would leave it incredibly vulnerable to air and sea supply chain interdiction. With first hand professional domain experience, and without arrogance or hubris, an Indones…

The Indonesia comment was a bit of cheek, I totally concede that it would be disastrous for them. However, I don't think that a conventional invasion is too far fetched IFF USN assets withdraw from the western Pacific.

Yes China has to transit the straits around SEA, but how many Collins does Australia actually currently have available to deny these channels, 1 or 2? Additionally, if this scenario happened and the US was in full turtle-mode, how long do you think AU could sustain those F35s? AUKUS won't deliver actual capability to Australia until maybe 2035 at the earliest, and those subs are too large to feasibly use the channels around Indonesia and Malaysia effectively anyway.

But yes I agree, unconventional attacks are more likely.

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Post by mikkupikku »

AngryData wrote: post #250
mrguyorama wrote: post #158

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Except America has shown that it would rather chew through all it's resources and capability than accept that "The public here doesn't want you, that wont change, go home and save the effort" How many people in the middle east did we blow up or kill? For 20 years. For a supposed outcome we had no chance of ever getting. Multiple presidents even. The deterrence effect of an occupation didn't stop Russia, did not stop…

The Middle East doesn't have easy access to the US or its infrastructure though either. If the US started shit with Mexico, the insurgency isn't going to be operating just inside Mexico, and support for occupying Mexico will drop to almost nothing when people in the US are regularly going without power, water, telecomms, or perhaps even food.

As soon as US baby boomers go one week without their lawns getting mowed, that war would be over.

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Post by noitpmeder »

IdiocyInAction wrote: post #363
ninalanyon wrote: post #362

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Not at all. It is part of the social contract here. Women are called up here in Norway because they campaigned for it, not because it was imposed. And if you are called up but prefer not to bear arms you can do a civilian service instead.

That still doesn't not make it not slavery. What if you don't agree with the social contract?

You can leave?

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Post by headgasket »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #170
hollerith wrote: post #120

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Agreed. Also, even if Canada were to shut down all NORAD radars and command posts on Canadian territory and to kick out every US soldier and to tear up all agreements with the US, Canadian cities and important Canadian infrastructure within 100 miles of the US border (i.e., most Canadian population and infrastructure) would probably get nuked in a nuclear war just so that the US cannot rely on those resources during…

You missed an important point which is that Switzerland under the guise of neutrality helped the germans finance the war. For most of the time it very much was not in Germanys interest to invade. If their track record is anything to go by, if they had it probably wouldn't have taken them very long. Very few military lessons can be learned from the Swiss for the simple reason they have never fought in a war. As a Brit…

Napoleon Bonaparte would like a word

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

testing22321 wrote: post #278
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #30

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Real question: Is any serious person advocating Canada abandon the West for China? What's their analysis here? If anyone has an article I can read I would love to do that.

Given the shit show that is trump tarries and uncertainty, and the threats of 51st state, plenty of Canadians are very happy to turn away from the USA. I’d be immensely happy if the Chinese EV tarries were scrapped. Given how the us has been behaving, why should we support us automakers.

>plenty of Canadians

I specifically asked about serious people, not the electorate at large.

>why should we support us automakers

Because the US is Canada's sole defense.

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Post by triceratops »

palmotea wrote: post #361
triceratops wrote: post #341

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That was widely acknowledged as the weakest of 3 or 4 criminal investigations against Trump. He managed to stall the others.

> That was widely acknowledged as the weakest of 3 or 4 criminal investigations against Trump. 1) It's the case that was given the most attention by far (and furthered a persecution narrative that probably helped Trump). 2) The existence of other prosecutions does not excuse one that was done selectively and improperly.

> It's the case that was given the most attention by far

Because as I already said

>> He managed to stall the others

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Post by hollerith »

greedo wrote: post #184
hollerith wrote: post #120

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Agreed. Also, even if Canada were to shut down all NORAD radars and command posts on Canadian territory and to kick out every US soldier and to tear up all agreements with the US, Canadian cities and important Canadian infrastructure within 100 miles of the US border (i.e., most Canadian population and infrastructure) would probably get nuked in a nuclear war just so that the US cannot rely on those resources during…

This is counter to both SIOP and what we've found out in the Warsaw Pact archives and from researchers who have been able to interview former Soviet officers and officials. Just a back of the napkin calculation showed how silly the idea of any conventional forces surviving a full scale nuclear war. The US had around 5K warheads on ICBMs and SLBMs at the peak of the Cold War. This doesn't even count any nuclear bombs…

>what we've found out in the Warsaw Pact archives and from researchers who have been able to interview former Soviet officers and officials.

I have asserted that one of the Soviet war plans made available to western scholars in the 1990s had a massive attack with conventional forces occur right after a nuclear strike. Are you saying that I am lying or severely mistaken in my interpretation of the news reports I saw about this war plan?

Also, if they ever implemented this plan, they could evacuate their cities and military bases beforehand. You didn't address this factor.

I also disagree that the US strategic nuclear forces could have destroyed all or even the majority (e.g. 75%) of the Soviets' conventional forces even if the Soviets had no advance warning or time to disperse anything into the countryside -- partly because the forces' being dispersed was their standard and routine posture.

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