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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence

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Post by vkou »

adolph wrote: post #345
Foobar8568 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French media are owned by his literal relatives, one (Bouygues, owner of the largest French /media? With TF1 etc.) being the witness of one of his wedding and godfather of his son Louis. The other son is married to the heir of Darty/FNAC. I don't remember where Dassault (major newspaper owner) fits but they were both close as well.

Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

Or SpaceX owning Twitter, or the president owning Truth Social?

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Post by votepaunchy »

vkou wrote: post #371
adolph wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

Or SpaceX owning Twitter, or the president owning Truth Social?

Or Amazon owning the Washington Post.

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Post by stickfigure »

thesumofall wrote: post #365
stackedinserter wrote: post #362

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France sucks for living tbh. I have a family there and while it's nice to visit, I would never live there. Salaries are low, there are no many jobs even in Paris, rent is high, taxes are high, everything is expensive and less comfortable than in US or Canada. I miss my suburban home after a week there, every time.

Worked in a 2nd-tier city in France for a while. And, yes, salaries are low in comparison but I found it a very livable place. The French just emphasize different things. Good quality restaurants are very affordable, I had 45 days of paid vacation, etc.

I just spent a few weeks in southern France. Lovely place, lovely food, lovely people...

...with one national flaw. All that lovely food is available strictly between the hours of 12 and 2 (for lunch) and 7 and 9 (for dinner). If you don't eat on the precise timetable as everyone else (say, jetlag) then you don't eat.

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Post by stickfigure »

qq66 wrote: post #23

So is this a criminal president receiving justice, or a politically motivated prosecution?

Are you genuinely interested in the answer, or are you using rhetorical techniques to create the illusion of ambiguity when a quick search for the facts of the case produce a clear and definitive answer?

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Post by alephnerd »

adolph wrote: post #345
Foobar8568 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French media are owned by his literal relatives, one (Bouygues, owner of the largest French /media? With TF1 etc.) being the witness of one of his wedding and godfather of his son Louis. The other son is married to the heir of Darty/FNAC. I don't remember where Dassault (major newspaper owner) fits but they were both close as well.

Dassault (major newspaper owner) Is that like Lockheed Martin owning a major newspaper or GE owning a TV network?

> GE owning a TV network

Ever watched any NBC IP in the 2000s and early 2010s?

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Post by reliabilityguy »

greatgib wrote: post #146

Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…

What incentive does the French media (or any media for that matter) has to tell the truth?

I do not want to be all about doom and gloom but I do not think that there is any media on this planet that delivers factual information without lying (either directly or by omission) to shape the opinion. And no, having a narrative is not lying as long as all the facts are presented, which allows the reader to make their own judgement whether they are buying into the narrative or not. Unfortunately, today journalists/editors believe that they have to report in a specific way as otherwise the “fight” would be lost.

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Post by nmeofthestate »

lostlogin wrote: post #202
philipallstar wrote: post #189

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Take responsibility is just a euphemism, though. For some people that is someone going behind bars. What do you actually mean?

Apply the same thought process to ‘punishment’. Those who spend a lot of time in prison seem to come out worse and reoffend. How is that helpful?

> those who spend a lot of time in prison seem to come out worse and reoffend. How is that helpful?

You're implying that imprisonment makes people offend more - perhaps the simpler explanation is that most criminals will commit crimes when they get the chance, especially prolific criminals. Prison takes them off the streets and stops them victimising more people - this is helpful.

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Post by hamandcheese »

returningfory2 wrote: post #325
Aurornis wrote: post #216

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> Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. How much of this is driven by contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting? I’m not familiar with French media, but I see the same pattern in every country where I’ve kept up with the news: Media starts being favorable to a topic when it’s up and coming, switching to being highly…

Thank you so much for this comment - you've put a name ("contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting") on a phenomenon that I've observed a lot and is one of the main reasons I don't consume the media anymore. The craziest example for me was NYC congestion pricing. When it was about to happen, all the reporting was about all of the downsides of the tolls starting. A week after the New York Governor "indefinitely paused…

So the media intentionally stirs controversy and they aren't even getting paid to do it by hostile states or the ultra-wealthy? There really is no hope is there.

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Post by [deleted] »

orionsbelt wrote: post #336
schmidtleonard wrote: post #320

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Thanks for reminding me, he also broke campaign finance laws with the pornstar payoff. No, if Joe Biden had the same facts against him the entire right wing -- including you -- would be eagerly prosecuting them and singing of the high-minded justice in doing so. Have you forgotten "lock her up!"? "President is above the law" is a far more dangerous precedent to set, and "nominees are above the law" is out-of-this-wor…

Assumptions, assumptions... I am not right wing, have never voted for Trump or chanted "lock her up", and no, I believe in principles and not party loyalty and would have felt the same had it been Biden. I was also against Clinton's impeachment for the same reason. Stormy Daniels and Monica Lewinsky were both private sexual matters, and to try to use ancillary technical crimes (obstruction; campaign finance) to remov…

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Post by mrguyorama »

ikekkdcjkfke wrote: post #63
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #12

oh I wish the American people were this brave

The first trump campaign was fueled by government and banks not being held accountable, ex. after the financial crisis and bailouts of banks. Though trump kind of piggy backed on those sentiments along with the tea party/koch brothers backing. Just goes to show you need to apply justice blindly and harshaly, or else you will trigger peoples strong and inate sense of injustice and burn it all down

>The first trump campaign was fueled by government and banks not being held accountable

Nah that's horse shit. Trump has been trying to ride outright populism since Ross Perot showed you could be a moron with no experience and people would still insist you were somehow a genius because you had a million dollars.

Trump's first campaign was nothing more than the republican party being utterly ravenous to demonstrate the hatred that AM radio and Fox News had been cooking up for a generation.

The tea party movement was not organic, it was invented and astroturfed into existence. The outcome was not planned, but it was entirely intentional.

Trump was the biggest source for the birtherism bullshit remember?

The people who believe haitian immigrants eat dogs, that portland is currently on fire, or that Mr "grab them by the pussy, they let you do it" and "I used to watch all the ms teen USA girls change" is somehow not the primary pedophile problem were never serious about justice, never cared about it being applied equally, and will never be satisfied with an actual fair justice system. They believe that crime is at an all time high despite no evidence. They believe the man that has quite literally scammed them time and time again is a "great businessman" or knows what he is doing at all.

The people who say "Obamacare is the worst thing" and yet "Don't you dare take away my ACA coverage" at the same time do not care about justice.

These people keep electing Republicans despite mountains of objective evidence that Republicans nearly alone are responsible for America's current budget and debt problems.

A lot of these people are utterly furious that the Federal Government forced them to treat black people like people in the 60s and have been holding a grudge ever since. You don't scrub rainbows off of cross walks because you are upset about justice.

The people cheering on the black bagging of American citizens and hate fueled oppression and the literal suppression of free expression or thought do not care about justice

The people who were upset by the injustice of 2008 were the Occupy movement. Where are their political candidates?

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