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All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement.

I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My entire neighborhood came with ring doorbells pre installed and eero routers. I swapped out to the Logitech doorbell which I like better anyway

So like it just came with the houses as they were built? If that's the case I wonder what kind of deal Ring make with the builders of new neighborhoods.

Yes, they were new build. They used it as part of the marketing too, calling them “smart homes”. There’s various other ring bits like motion detector and window/door sensors, alarm, etc. and some non-Amazon stuff like smart water meter, garage door opener.

They had some kind of deal with Amazon surely because it came with some amount of time free.

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They do have an end to end encryption option. Wonder if that helps any. https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

On that page though it looks like most all the features are not available with E2EE, event timeline, person detection, search you name it. So imagine few if any use it, since alternative options that can locally do all that and still have E2EE.

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#376

All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement. I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.

I mean the feed has to be written to a storage and this storage I immediately backup off-site in the case someone is clever enough to immediately go for such (e.g. burglary).

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

#377

All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement. I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.

How does your total solution work? Today, there's a lot of convenience with Nest. Is there an equivalent experience that doesn't involve exposing your data to megacorps?

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Slight tangent: on top of that, I just read an article yesterday (which of course I can't find again right now) about how false automatic alarms from such cameras will incur a fee from the owners when the Police comes to check it out. It was from somewhere in Texas.

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I commented on a similar post earlier, but my entire neighborhood, hundreds of houses, came with them preinstalled. Can’t even leave my house without being surveilled.

Some people have the setting on where it starts announcing stuff any time it sees a person, which it does all the way to the sidewalk. So you go on a walk and get yelled at through a super shitty speaker several times.

And it’s about as dystopian as you can imagine with people posting recordings constantly on the neighborhood Facebook group and arguing.

I swapped to HomeKit secure video because of no additional subscription, included in the iCloud one I’m paying anyway. Allegedly end to end encrypted too.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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post #377

All this hand-wringing about surveillance powers is not keeping up with how quickly our ability to surveil people is expanding. The fourth amendment seems kind of like a wet fart in a timeline where private companies can surveil the public and then simply choose to share their data with law enforcement. I had to buy a surveillance camera recently, but I made sure mine doesn’t connect to the internet in any way.

How does your total solution work? Today, there's a lot of convenience with Nest. Is there an equivalent experience that doesn't involve exposing your data to megacorps?

HomeKit secure video is cloud stored, but end to end encrypted
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