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No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by npteljes »

These dark patterns are the zeitgeist really, for many years now. And they work very well, because of the combinations of vendor lock-in, product bundling, and companies getting better and better at PR.

Usually there is an easy workaround. For example with One Drive shenanigans, you just need to save the files outside of Documents, Pictures etc, and that's it. I got fed up many years ago and moved to Linux, because I like my fights with Linux better. With Microsoft (and most other corporations), it's their way, or the highway. And it always have been.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by vunderba »

creato wrote: post #91
GeekyBear wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple forces users to use an online account to access their local Mac, and disables their OS unless they turn on iCloud on their Mac -- then you can claim equivalence between them.

I literally just got my first Mac computer a few months ago. I tried to set it up as a local account with no online account. I could not. Maybe it is possible and I just missed it. But either they don't allow it, or they have enough dark pattern bullshit to trick me, either way, it's the same as windows to me.

Unless the way VMs install a distro is somehow fundamentally different from a new computer, then it's literally two clicks when installing Sonoma to use a local account when prompted (Setup Later and then click Skip). I just tested this.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by rootusrootus »

dingdingdang wrote: post #353
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

The only, as per personal exp, way to properly setup a Win11 machine these days is strictly via LTSC release and WinUtil from Chris Titus + local account - clean and no "feature" updates for almost 10 yrs. Add to that Chocolatey for package management that takes away the "every piece of software adds it's own autoupdater crap"-pain and the OS is suddenly very capable for almost all computing needs.

Is buying the Enterprise version another method? I heard someone suggest that, but without any explanation other than it allowed you to use Windows without a Microsoft account. Is there something that makes it unsuitable for gaming?

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by ptx »

quacked wrote: post #285

I deeply hate Microsoft, and most modern commercial software design, but OneDrive has consistently been the best app I've ever used for large file storage. Can anyone explain why they hate it so much? I have near instantaneous access to my documents on my computer and phone. I've been considering a move to Mint, but I like OneDrive so much I'm not sure that I want to lose it.

The web version is awful, absurdly cumbersome to navigate, difficult to search, confusingly structured, slow and just generally terrible.

The native version was forced onto people's Windows machines and automatically configured to sync people's local desktop and documents to Microsoft's servers without explicit consent, so some of the hate directed towards Onedrive might be an expressions of hate of Microsoft's abusive and deceptive behavior. But even if the Onedrive app itself is amazing (I don't know if it is), installing anything from such an untrustworthy company seems like a bad idea.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by 1718627440 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #269
bee_rider wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Open Source ecosystem is a bit weird in that your system can be as reliable or not as you want, depending on what projects you follow. It really truly is a mixed bag in the sense that you can actually have a solid setup if you are happy with it being boring.

> The Open Source ecosystem is a bit weird in that your system can be as reliable or not as you want I'm going to dig into this a little. This feels like shifting responsibility onto the user when things don't go well. E.g. comparing the platonic ideal of Linux when analyzing practical options. I make lots of mistakes in all aspects of my life. I know historically, and projecting into the future that I will get into…

But that's how it works with every other tool you own? Nobody is complaining about the pencil manufacturer when you choose to draw an image, which you later don't like. Same with using software to modify the state of the hard disk, which you don't like later.

In Windows or Darwin you are not responsible, because you can't tell the computer what you want to do, but in a free OS, you can and do order what the computer is doing and that's why you also need to deal with the consequences.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by 3form »

zwnow wrote: post #263
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

People dont care about their operating system. Most Mac users never learn Mac and most Windows users never learn windows. They use their computers for emails, some presentations and occasional gaming. They dont want to learn different kinds of software. Which is fine. For most people its just a power tool they never read the manual for. They dont even know what other tools there are so they dont know that life could…

Exactly! The lesson that Microsoft doesn't want to learn.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by 1718627440 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #163
robin_reala wrote: post #49

I get absurdly annoyed at “Maybe later” buttons. No, go away, never come back, I’m genuinely not interested.

In my opinion, “Maybe Later” buttons are actually useful if implemented for the user's benefit . For example, maybe I do want to hear about OneDrive but I don't have time now. It's a reasonable middle ground between Yes and No. But the problem is that modern tech companies are using it as a dark pattern to completely eliminate the No option. Sadly, I think this just might need to be regulated out. I don't see any rea…

The classic implementation for this is Yes and No buttons and then a checkbox to remember the selection.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by 3form »

dingdingdang wrote: post #353
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

The only, as per personal exp, way to properly setup a Win11 machine these days is strictly via LTSC release and WinUtil from Chris Titus + local account - clean and no "feature" updates for almost 10 yrs. Add to that Chocolatey for package management that takes away the "every piece of software adds it's own autoupdater crap"-pain and the OS is suddenly very capable for almost all computing needs.

It's funny to me to see that to achieve this Linux-like result you need to go through the Linux-like installation process.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by the__alchemist »

1718627440 wrote: post #375
the__alchemist wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Open Source ecosystem is a bit weird in that your system can be as reliable or not as you want I'm going to dig into this a little. This feels like shifting responsibility onto the user when things don't go well. E.g. comparing the platonic ideal of Linux when analyzing practical options. I make lots of mistakes in all aspects of my life. I know historically, and projecting into the future that I will get into…

But that's how it works with every other tool you own? Nobody is complaining about the pencil manufacturer when you choose to draw an image, which you later don't like. Same with using software to modify the state of the hard disk, which you don't like later. In Windows or Darwin you are not responsible, because you can't tell the computer what you want to do, but in a free OS, you can and do order what the computer…

I agree! My thought is this: The mechanical pencil is drawing that image because there are a combination of settings on it don't work well for a given use case. When adjusting the settings, I get poor results, or something breaks. The schematics are available and parts are available for the repair, but the job still takes a while, and I don't know how to do it. My friend has fixed something like it before, but his pencil's controls were different, and some of the tools are no longer available for the way he did it. I would prefer if the pencil worked out of the box, because I'm an artist; not a pencil engineer.

I instead buy a pencil from a different brand. It doesn't come in the color I want, but it's good enough, and lets me focus on the drawing. The pencil engineers and enthusiasts keep telling me the customizable mechanical pencil is much better. They love it, have learned its intricacies, and take pride in this.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by dismalaf »

dare944 wrote: post #362
shmerl wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are downvoted, what you said is true. Mint has some WIP to support Wayland in Cinnamon, but it's way behind other DEs and I wouldn't recommend using it.

Voted down because the "Linux Mint is terrible" statement clearly isn't true.

When Mint always comes up as a distro for newbies coming from Windows, then lacks all the features of a modern system, yes, it's terrible.
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