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That's what escalators looked like in the beginning-- novelties at fairs, large department stores, and hotels.

The only place I commonly see escalators besides these places is airports, I don't think they've expanded that much?

Sorry what?

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Because human work is designed for humans. If you want a drop-in replacement for human workers, humanoid robots are your best bet.

That doesn’t even remotely follow. Human work is designed for humans so if you want human work done you need a human to do it. If you want to replace the human the best bet is to redesign the work so that it can be done with machine assistance, which is what we’ve been doing since the industrial revolution. There’s a reason the motor car (which is the successful mass market personal transportation machine) doesn’t lo…

Sure but robots don’t join unions or ask for a pay raise or benefits.

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I think they need to be inexpensive enough before they're embraced, given the relatively low value-added in the average home. Running a dishwasher and laundry machine is not something I'd pay 30k for. The tech affluent rich will get them for it's own sake. From the comments though it seems that some are enthusiastic about being rid of chores for a premium. In the 2010s everyone purchased those rumba vacuums, because…

If people will pay $30k for a car, I think the default assumption should be that they will readily pay that much for a 24/7 housekeeper. Our family would get way more utility out of a housekeeper than a car, but human housekeepers are very expensive, so we don't have one. Merely having our house cleaned once/week would be more expensive than our minivan payment.

There are apps on which you can hire housekeepers for like $20 an hour and I don't see many people using them. Thinking people would spend $30k on this e-waste is delusional. But it's typical for HN, most people here have completely lost touch with reality and the value of money

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Correct me if I'm wrong here but humanoid consumer robots are basically smoke and mirrors right now because the unit economics are so bad. Even the baxter robot was targeting small business because the lowest price point you could get was $40,000 for something that would have to work 24 hours to do something a human would do in an hour or two. Having a robot do chores at home is an even worse financial position. Anyo…

I'm surprised people are so negative here. Compared with generative AI (which steals work, and replaces the part people like about their jobs: creativity), the promise of humanoid robots is that they'll do the my chores, while I focus on the important stuff. What surprises me is that people can't see this for what it is: early steps. As an aside, the first steam engine was created by the Greeks 2000 years ago, but th…

> But the lack of optimism surprises me.

People now understood that the vast majority of productivity boosting technologies benefited a few % of people at the top, while the rest of use still basically live like in the 70s, except we work longer, have worse job security, can't buy houses, &c.

"Automation will free us from work", "Your car will drive itself in two years", "owning a car will cut your commute time in half", "LLMs will bring UBI", "Robots will fold your clothes so you can spend time on your family", fool me once...

https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/...

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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The era of intelligent robots is the end of washing machines and many other specialized machines, even tractors. Two kinds of machinery are needed. One very basic and cheap robot to go around the neighborhood and gather clothes in some boxes, and transfer them in a designated room to wash them. Two state of the art robotic hands mounted on the wall, and connected to AC (no batteries). The two arms are going to be con…

Things that happens in your mind but will never materialise at any meaningful scale episode 203.

Why do we keep optimising everything to be faster and faster, yet we still have as little, if not less, free time than like 50 years ?

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All of the examples in videos are cherry picked. Go ask anyone working on humanoid robots today, almost everything you see here, if repeated 10 times, will enter failure mode because the happy path is so narrow. There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies, ask them beforehand about their capabilities, and then create an environment that is within those capabilities but was not u…

> There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies

…and have a surprise dance-off.

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

If you believe that thankless, pointless busywork is a virtue, then surely, Sisyphus must be the most virtuous man of them all.

Our lives are thankless pointless busy work in the end, I feel like the end game of transhumanists is just having us all in Matrix style pods, 100% efficient, no pain, no waste

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

Im willing to bet 95% of American homes have a pile of laundry they would very much like a robot to wash, dry, fold, and put away while they go to their jobs during the week so they can have more free time on the weekends

I'm willing to bet 100% of americans would like to use a bit of the productivity boost of the last 50 years to work one less day per week during which they could dedicate an hour or two to taking care of their house.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

Im willing to bet 95% of American homes have a pile of laundry they would very much like a robot to wash, dry, fold, and put away while they go to their jobs during the week so they can have more free time on the weekends

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Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because human work is designed for humans. If you want a drop-in replacement for human workers, humanoid robots are your best bet.

That doesn’t even remotely follow. Human work is designed for humans so if you want human work done you need a human to do it. If you want to replace the human the best bet is to redesign the work so that it can be done with machine assistance, which is what we’ve been doing since the industrial revolution. There’s a reason the motor car (which is the successful mass market personal transportation machine) doesn’t lo…

Technically, the motor car replaced the coach. A more accurate and enjoyable analogy would that car engines don’t look like horses.
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