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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by GeoAtreides »

pjc50 wrote: post #232
tpxl wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number The police can and will request this information from you, digital ID or not. If you have actual beef with digital ID, present it.

They can certainly ask, but at the moment can they jail you simply for not answering?

yes. yes they can.

They'll invoke one of the more ambiguous sections, it's usually the anti-terrorism one, but sometimes is the anti-drugs one (i can't remember the numbers), and they'll detain then arrest you and haul you to the police station.

You can complain later, and maybe get some pounds out of it, but make no mistake: if the uk police wants you identified, they will identify you.

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Post by tempodox »

gadders wrote: post #192
jjgreen wrote: post #183

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Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number -- oh, and you'll need to install this app on your phone which I promise will never be used to monitor your location, purchases, friends. Then I'll explain.

Also, please authenticate with your digital ID before posting on social media.

Not even a joke, but only a question of time.

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Post by dang »

ryukafalz wrote: post #345

In addition to all the issues mentioned in the article, this seems to mean that UK citizens will effectively be forced to accept the terms of service of one of two US companies (Apple or Google). If you must have either an Android or iOS device to run this digital ID app (which presumably will be distributed via the Play Store on Android), there's no other option!

(This was originally a comment on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45387509. We merged that thread hither and added https://www.theverge.com/news/786323/uk-digital-id-plans-man... to the top text.)

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Post by tencentshill »

jaggs wrote: post #248
pjc50 wrote: post #199

> There will be no requirement for individuals to carry their ID or be asked to produce it - but digital ID will be mandatory as a means of proving your Right to Work. So it's mandatory for everyone except old people and the unemployed. It will almost certainly also be mandatory for renting, which has the same check. Then it will gradually seep into everything else: benefits and pensions, to cover the categories not…

Please stop Americanizing the UK. ICE does not exist in the UK.

Stasi, Gestapo, ICE. You know what they meant. The UK just doesn't have the equivalent aggressive immigrant-removal operation in place yet.

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Post by globular-toast »

Nursie wrote: post #23
steanne wrote: post #13

didn't they try that 20 years ago and repeal? and back then it was voluntary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Cards_Act_2006

There was a big backlash and they eventually caved in and cancelled the scheme when the government changed. I lived in South London at the time and sent a letter to my MP to protest about the creation of a database state and increased surveillance, fundamentally changing the nature of the relationship between the citizen and the state. About two months later I got a form response that started "Don't worry, it's not j…

The MPs never read anything. You got sent back one of a few pre-written replies by a secretary. I was stupid enough to reply to one of those replies once and never got anything back.

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Post by lawlessone »

petesergeant wrote: post #24
OgsyedIE wrote: post #22

So this applies to sectarian areas of Northern Ireland as well as every other part of the UK, then.

You appear to have buried the point you’re trying to make here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement#:~:text=...

>Article 1 (vi), commonly referred to as the birthright provisions, states that both governments, "Recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish, or British, or both

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Post by scott_w »

amenhotep wrote: post #370
scott_w wrote: post #133

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My understanding is that it makes checking job eligibility easier, so enforcement of non compliance is easier. A big source of illegal immigration is visa overstay ( https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/un... ), which ID can solve by tracking the visa status. There are benefits to UK citizens, such as being easier to open a bank account and to comply with Voter ID laws.

What a lovely framing that is. Since time immemorial our right to vote without having to present papers was prized and protected and caused no appreciable problems whatsoever. Then, finally, in one of these inevitable spasms of authoritarianism, they do away with it and we're now turned away from the polling station unless we can show our permission slip. Then they come up with even more papers for us, and the argume…

> Since time immemorial our right to vote without having to present papers was prized and protected and caused no appreciable problems whatsoever.

I don’t disagree at all, however we are where we are. The laws were introduced by a different government in a failed bid to maintain power by disenfranchising voters less likely to have ID.

That being said, we are where we are and having government-provided ID is a benefit in that context.

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Post by HPsquared »

jonex wrote: post #362
ghusto wrote: post #340

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Was reading through your post, finding it difficult to find fault with anything you were saying, but something wasn't sitting right. And then ... > I'm certain it's worked well in other countries It has! In the Netherlands for example, it's just an incredibly convenient system, and if there's anything dodgy going on I'm not aware of it. So what makes the UK so different to the Netherlands? Genuine question, because I…

It's the difference between proportional voting vs winner takes it all. In the latter case you can't really hold politicians accountable, as you will have to choose between effectively throwing your vote away or voting for the one opposition candidate, that often will be just as bad. While the UK have some level of representativeness, each circuit has a winner takes it all structure, making change quite hard to achie…

This might be a "grass is greener" thing. Do elected representatives actually have higher approval rating, or enact policies that better fit with public opinion, under proportional systems? Sure it'd probably make things a little better, but it won't actually solve anything hard, I think. All Western countries are struggling (and mostly failing) to deal with the same problems regardless of details like electoral system.
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