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Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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Credit cards do the same, no? You can initiate a chargeback.

After waiting on the line with support for 4 hours and going through a phishing-tastic email flow, sure. (Maybe your credit card company has a better experience, but who wants to reach the point where you find that out?). With PayPal you just push the button.

My credit card company has a "dispute charge" button in the transaction history. It's one click. Sounds like you should look into a different provider.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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I'm both surprised they didn't already, and am more surprised people are still willing to even use PayPal at this point.

I do art for a very queer market and lately I've been trying to get people to pay me via Zelle, because using Paypal is putting pennies in the pocket of rich dipshits like Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, who put that money into Republican candidate pockets. Next to nobody's budged. It's all Paypal. I'm taking a class and I paid the teacher via Venmo, which is a fucking Paypal company. It's so damn entrenched. When the fuck…

I would never pay for digital goods with Zelle.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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Might not be enough. PayPal is notorious for draining connected bank accounts in some cases.

That would be next level... do you have any links to examples?

I have my lived experience, which take it for the anecdata it is:

A few months ago, I checked an infrequently-used email address and noticed some unusual notifications about a "new user added to your PayPal account." I hadn't even remembered this was the email associated with my PayPal account - so after managing to reset my password and log back in, I managed to figure out that someone must have skimmed or brute-forced my PayPal password, set up a second account, attached their bank account to that new account, and begun draining my own bank account. By this point they'd gotten around $5,000 out of it.

Some features I noticed on the PayPal side that seemed obviously bad: PayPal sends no indication via email of these literal bank transfers, and there is a "feature" on the PayPal site where you can hide (but not, thankfully, wholesale delete) previously concluded transactions. The criminals had just hidden every one of the transfers. They also consistently used something like $499.99 as the transfer value, presumably because that amount prevents some automated level of scrutiny from kicking in.

Additional bad points: the interface for registering a complaint is in a highly counterintuitive workflow through the PayPal site, and seems almost entirely set up for people to register "normal" complaints, not fraudulent transactions.

The good side, however, was that I managed to find the right place, opened a case, and got the thing resolved and the money refunded to my bank account within 24 hours. So, excellent job, fraud resolution team at PayPal!

To tie back to the theme of this thread: my assumption is this fraud will become vastly easier after PayPal breaks (further?) with FDIC-insured fiat currency and people can just turn hacked bank accounts into BTC.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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A long time ago someone bought a pizza. Most large company entries into the crypto space seem to fizzle out and disappear due to lack of use, and how annoying it is to deal with currencies which fluctuate in value between the time you've spent them and the time the transaction is approved (I understand there are lightning networks), and then there's the issue with maintaining wallets. It really just adds nothing but…

Given that I basically never use PayPal anymore I'm thinking this might be a desperate attempt to find any new market to grow in. There's plenty of alternatives these days so now I just use the direct credit card option on most sites.

Yea Paypal seems to have the _most_ friction in my experience. That being said, they bought Venmo in 2013 so I'm still using 'em.

Although, they're pretty late to the game. Company must not be integrated super tightly since Venmo's had some crypto support for years now.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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The whole purpose of crypto is to exchange money online like we exchange cash in person, so who wants PayPal as a middleman on a tech designed not to have a middleman? Who will use that

I think the opportunity here is getting money from a bank account to an ETH or BTC wallet using "normal" means and not setting up a new account on a crypto exchange. Unless you're getting a paycheck in crypto, someone has to be a middleman.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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real question because i don't know, what do people actually buy with crypto other than other money or illegal stuff? i presume paypal won't be happy with you buying/selling drugs with it

Back when I carried it I would pay all my bills in it. Paid for most of my wedding tbh. That said, I think Australia might be uniquely blessed by Livingroomofsatoshi. It basically bridges crypto to all our other payment streams. Oh and grey market stuff all the time. Drugs that arent like, go to jail illegal but ship internationally direct from india. That sort of stuff.

>Drugs that arent like, go to jail illegal but ship internationally direct

I was so angry when Vision Direct lost the ability to ship prescripting contact lenses to US customers — my prescription hasn't changed in two decades! The only crime being committed here is the cost of my annual examination.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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EV Certs used to do exactly that for me, that is until browser stopped make the visuals of it special. Don't think it would be even viable today given the short expiry (which is a good thing) of TLS certs necessary for browser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation_Certificat...

You can still do all the checks you need, they're right there in the connection properties. This website is OV-certified (not EV) to PayPal, Inc. in San Jose by DigiCert Inc. You do need to know what US state PayPal is registered in for them to work, of course, as proven by https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/12/nope-... during the time EV certificates were still considered special. I don't see why EV…

I talked about introducing a notability criteria in the US, and other jurisdictions where duplicate registrations are possible. The Chrome people weren't interested.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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I was learning about cold email marketing earlier this year, and it's all about learning to be a spammer: - Registering lots of domains (launchmyapp.com, trymyapp.com, myapp.info, gomyapp.biz, etc.) - setting up a limited number of mailboxes per domain - warming email accounts up for 2 weeks by signing up for a service that sends to and receive messages from your accounts - setting up a meta inbox to track messages s…

> cold email marketing earlier this year, and it's all about learning to be a spammer You sound surprised. What's the difference between "cold email marketing" and "spamming"?

Cold email marketing can be highly targeted. Like, reaching out to your 5 potential customers and telling them about your service in terms of their specific context.

Spamming is not that.

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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They're not as openly shitty at least. Crypto was supposed to be an alternative to all this but, well, look how that worked out.

Crypto was supposed to be an alternative to all this but, well, look how that worked out. Bitcoin hasn't really changed in over a decade and is trading at all time highs. What "didn't work out" in your mind?

It hasn't solved the problem it set out to solve. We still have to chose between untrustworthy middlemen for handling our payment infrastructure.

It gave up a decade ago. I wouldn't call that "working out".

Re: PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin

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Nice of them to cause confusion to make phoning easier. No, corp.paypal.com/news or PayPal.com/corp/newsroom etc weren’t a good idea. I’d love to hear how decisions like this get made.

This approach (using a separate domain for content that isn't part of their service itself) has security advantages-- for example, this way a compromise of their news site CMS can't expose users' PayPal session tokens. It's decently common for websites to do this-- this is the same reason why Github Pages is hosted at github.io rather than github.com, and why static blobs are at githubusercontent.com. Those have a so…

From my point of view, a possible compromise of their news site CMS sees like a much less serious threat than phishing, so this seems like a bad tradeoff. If you're worried that cookie scoping will get broken, maybe you could have the news site CMS raise an alert if it sees PayPal-session-token cookie names.
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