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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by scoot »

EliRivers wrote: post #153
conartist6 wrote: post #2

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. We are going to be hearing that argument a lot as the AI police state evolves

I have so much to hide. I want to hide what I had for breakfast. I want to hide what books I read recently. I want to hide which TV shows I watch. I want to hide who I have conversations with. I want to hide who I avoid. I engage in so much completely legal behaviour, much of it quite laudable, that I simply want to hide.

Laudable, or laughable? I only ask because "laudable" didn't quite seem to fit with most of the examples you gave.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by subscribed »

budududuroiu wrote: post #301
bko wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? From the article: > Under the plans, 10 live facial recognition (LFR) vans will be used by seven forces across England to help identify "sex offenders or people wanted for the most serious crimes", according to Home Secretary Yvette Cooper. I guess it depends on how dangerous these criminals are. If there was someone offing kids randomly in…

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” I’ll let you figure out who’s quote that is

This is a manufactured, made up "quote". There's no such passage in the book you claim it comes from.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by globular-toast »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #370

So when China did this, this was criticised. When the UK do it... Double standards are wonderful.

You're in a comment section full of criticism. When China did it the criticism was irrelevant. The citizens are powerless and don't care. When the UK does it the criticism will also be irrelevant. The citizens are powerless and don't care. I don't see why any contradiction or double standard.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by sunshine-o »

elric wrote: post #35
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

They've been doing this for years at protests, using "Forward Intelligence Teams". Even back in 2010 [1] there was an action group trying to protest this growing police-state (Fitwatch). The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. Must be a truly dangerous place... https://web.archive.org/web/20100824175032/http://fitwatch.o...

> The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember.

By the way, do anybody care what would happen (at least psychologically) in case of a massive blackout or cyber-incident?

Just imagine something akin to what happened to the Iberian peninsula a few months ago, the country goes into flame quickly preventing recovery and then it's on. Most of the systems the UK has to control its population are inoperable.

I am pretty sure it is in the back of the mind of the UK leaders when they negotiate with Russia and China....

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Post by gizajob »

Aeolun wrote: post #299
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

There's this movie [1], created like 20 years ago, that perfectly predicted this evolution of the UK. It's bizarre that it's turned out to be prophetic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Men

Except that its main plot point was about infertility. And we’re not living in camps. And we haven’t gone feral with guns.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by rkomorn »

sunshine-o wrote: post #374
elric wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been doing this for years at protests, using "Forward Intelligence Teams". Even back in 2010 [1] there was an action group trying to protest this growing police-state (Fitwatch). The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. Must be a truly dangerous place... https://web.archive.org/web/20100824175032/http://fitwatch.o...

> The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. By the way, do anybody care what would happen (at least psychologically) in case of a massive blackout or cyber-incident? Just imagine something akin to what happened to the Iberian peninsula a few months ago, the country goes into flame quickly preventing recovery and then it's on. Most of the systems the UK has to control its populatio…

You think it would turn into an impromptu de facto purge (of The Purge fame)?

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by d--b »

Freedom5093 wrote: post #329
fastball wrote: post #303

The UK has been a surveillance state for a long time. I've been the victim of property crime 4x in the UK, and 3 of those times the entire thing was caught on multiple CCTVs. But that didn't help me get my stuff back or prosecute criminals. The one time I did get my computer back was when the police raided a stash house (due to an anonymous tip, not surveillance) and found a treasure trove of stolen electronics, whic…

This is untrue? Cameras in the UK are not "just used for surveillance". The facial recognition used recently has led to arrest of many offenders. > The Met reported that in 12 months they made 580 arrests using LFR for offences including, rape, domestic abuse, knife crime, GBH and robbery, including 52 registered sex offenders arrested for breaching their conditions. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/live-facial-rec…

It doesn’t say how many times they handcuffed the wrong guy.

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Post by rkomorn »

Freedom5093 wrote: post #329
fastball wrote: post #303

The UK has been a surveillance state for a long time. I've been the victim of property crime 4x in the UK, and 3 of those times the entire thing was caught on multiple CCTVs. But that didn't help me get my stuff back or prosecute criminals. The one time I did get my computer back was when the police raided a stash house (due to an anonymous tip, not surveillance) and found a treasure trove of stolen electronics, whic…

This is untrue? Cameras in the UK are not "just used for surveillance". The facial recognition used recently has led to arrest of many offenders. > The Met reported that in 12 months they made 580 arrests using LFR for offences including, rape, domestic abuse, knife crime, GBH and robbery, including 52 registered sex offenders arrested for breaching their conditions. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/live-facial-rec…

> The facial recognition used recently has led to arrest of many offenders.

I'm confused as to how that isn't also "surveillance".

Being able to know where someone is on your city sure seems like it fits the bill to me, unless you're considering it "enforcement" (and different from surveillance)?

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Post by jansper39 »

dylan604 wrote: post #203
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember.* Per-capita it’s less than the US.

But with the smaller space for the population, it's nearly total coverage from multiple angles vs the wide distances separating the equivalent number of cameras in the US.

The original figure included private CCTV systems which to all intents and purposes aren't available to government bodies without a warrant.

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Post by vincnetas »

arethuza wrote: post #367
kombine wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was taking an intercity coach to Glasgow recently and a teenage kid was on his phone browsing social media without headphones. I made a comment that he should use headphones or turn the volume off. He got defensive and angry. I did not to escalate, and put my earplugs on. I do believe certain parcels of the society need to be restrained.

I have a far bigger problem with adults having calls in public places with their phones on speaker... should they be "restrained" as well?

Depends on public space. Busy street, who cares. Silent intercity bus, maybe. Library, for sure.
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