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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by [deleted] »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #347
IshKebab wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think you have it backwards. I don't think anyone has demonstrated any actual harms from porn, but social networks regularly fuck teenagers up. I definitely would prefer my children to watch porn than get bullied - or worse - on social media. There's also the fact that I vaguely trust Facebook or Reddit to do a credit card-based age check or whatever. No way I'm giving any of my details to porn sites. Stupid d…

> I don't think anyone has demonstrated any actual harms from porn That's disingenuous and false. It's pretty common knowledge that pornography is not representative of real relationships, and because it's not actually emotionally satisfying, it takes regular consumers down a rabbit hole of increasingly extreme, vile and obscure content. Take a guess what that does to a developing teenager, essentially being educated…

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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

renewiltord wrote: post #279

Man am I glad I live in America. Despite everything, it's still the land of the free and the home of the brave. The federal system here means that the majority of weird shit happens at the state level.

The company lobbying for the proposal is a US surveillance company called Thorn. They have correctly identified that the EU is weak and you can just say "children" and politicians will agree to anything however. Even if it doesn't achieve anything.

https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by account42 »

random9749832 wrote: post #327

When they locked everything down and forced you to wear masks they already told you who they are. They don't care about your freedom or you as an individual and your rights.

Spot on. They also showed how the constitution means nothing to them because once you win in court they already got what they wanted.

What's more sad is that the general public has also responded that they are OK with this. Dissenters have become to be though of as a problem that needs to be corrected instead of as an indicator that what the government is doing is wrong.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by wafriedemann »

IshKebab wrote: post #320
steve_taylor wrote: post #259

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I personally support age verification for porn. However, age verification for almost anything else, e.g. Reddit, is a terrible idea.

Yeah I think you have it backwards. I don't think anyone has demonstrated any actual harms from porn, but social networks regularly fuck teenagers up. I definitely would prefer my children to watch porn than get bullied - or worse - on social media. There's also the fact that I vaguely trust Facebook or Reddit to do a credit card-based age check or whatever. No way I'm giving any of my details to porn sites. Stupid d…

i'd go even further: since harm of unrestricted access could not be proven, existing restrictions need to be reversed.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by account42 »

betaby wrote: post #110
alphazard wrote: post #83

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution probably a solution

A solution that laws like this will make very much harder to pull off if not impossible.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #115
cobbzilla wrote: post #11

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The US, at least, has a Bill of Rights that would make this illegal, it would definitely violate the 4th Amendment and maybe the 1st too.

The EU also has laws that make it illegal. It annulled a previous law with some of these provisions, the so-called Data Retention Directive.

> The EU also has laws that make it illegal.

For now.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by munksbeer »

elric wrote: post #323
munksbeer wrote: post #316

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> but the EC does not represent the people, that's the job of MEP The European Council is the heads of each member state. They are literally the people elected by each nation state domestically. If they don't represent the people, then that means national democracy is broken (which I agree with in cases like the UK) but I'm making a more general point. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council/

I wasn't talking about the council, but the commission. The acronym confusion is unfortunate. Point is that these people are very far removed from elections and political consequences. They also seem to be the types who have no idea what "normal" people are like.

Then you have understood even less. The commission act on instructions from the council. The steer for this has come from the member states, not the commission.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by account42 »

HelloUsername wrote: post #163
alphazard wrote: post #83

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

You ask a valid and clear question, sadly no one yet properly responded :( I'll try: using an app that can communicate without ever connecting to the internet? Such as: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483

An app, in an official app store no less, is not going to be a solution for long. If you want an actual technical attempt at a solution you first need to regain ownership over your computing devices.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by account42 »

isaacremuant wrote: post #175
ncr100 wrote: post #149

WTFF. Fight !! Why is this Thought Policing tolerated? Are we so End Stage Growth Economy that EVERY power broker see now as the time to employer (IC)Enforcement? Gestapo much, anyone?

> Why is this Thought Policing tolerated? Because it's what everyone and their mother was calling for during covid to fight the dangerous for opposing authoritarian policies. Because we have to stop Russia, the republicans, extremists, anti war protests who are actually just , because we have to protect kids, or fight racism... It was all bullshit and people loved it. Now it's almost too late. If you don't reject it…

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