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Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Every bill has to go through both chambers, but they usually originate in one and then are passed to the other once the originating chamber affirms them. It is not common to push two independent bills simultaneously, despite your assertion so.

> It is not common to push two independent bills simultaneously, despite your assertion so. This is in fact extremely common. Both houses pass independent bills, and then they go to conference to work out the differences. https://gai.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Tab-6-... "Frequently, however, House and Senate committees each develop their own bills on the same subject. In these cases, one house often de…

You’re picking and choosing, and being obscenely obtuse because you want to win a nothing internet argument.

They dual draft bills. A draft is not the same thing as a proposal. When it actually runs through the process, one of the two drafts runs its course (as a proposal) in the origination chamber. That same bill is then passed to the second chamber to get approved. If it happened “all the time”, you would link examples rather than barely related Georgetown University theory pieces.

Do I need to link you the “School House Rock” video? Or are you going to continue to link out of context/slightly tangential articles to try and prove your point in a typical armchair expert manner? If so, just move on and pretend you “won”; it’s more productive.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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They make it really difficult to fight any of this. You have to, individually - find a representative, their contact info, state your case, hope it's the correct person, hope your mail doesn't go unnoticed, hope that it will be properly read, hope it changes their mind. This is "lobbying" by the people in a disorganised way, trying to fight organised lobbying. This is a barrier that puts lots of people off, even if t…

just use a browser agent

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

#373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not common to push two independent bills simultaneously, despite your assertion so. This is in fact extremely common. Both houses pass independent bills, and then they go to conference to work out the differences. https://gai.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Tab-6-... "Frequently, however, House and Senate committees each develop their own bills on the same subject. In these cases, one house often de…

You’re picking and choosing, and being obscenely obtuse because you want to win a nothing internet argument. They dual draft bills. A draft is not the same thing as a proposal . When it actually runs through the process, one of the two drafts runs its course (as a proposal) in the origination chamber. That same bill is then passed to the second chamber to get approved. If it happened “all the time”, you would link ex…

> If it happened “all the time”, you would link examples

Because I'm right, this is very easy to do. I thought that linking to why this happens would help you understand, but I can clear any bar you set. For example, variations of the DREAM act have been introduced in the House and Senate, often within a few months of each other, just like SOPA and PIPA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#Legislative_history

But this is all beside the point. You claimed that this was a conspiracy to force the law through. Since it has to pass both chambers, this strategy doesn't work, and your conspiracy theory makes no sense, yet you refuse to concede this.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

#374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re picking and choosing, and being obscenely obtuse because you want to win a nothing internet argument. They dual draft bills. A draft is not the same thing as a proposal . When it actually runs through the process, one of the two drafts runs its course (as a proposal) in the origination chamber. That same bill is then passed to the second chamber to get approved. If it happened “all the time”, you would link ex…

> If it happened “all the time”, you would link examples Because I'm right, this is very easy to do. I thought that linking to why this happens would help you understand, but I can clear any bar you set. For example, variations of the DREAM act have been introduced in the House and Senate, often within a few months of each other, just like SOPA and PIPA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#Legislative_history But…

You can clear the goalposts you keep moving or redefining, certainly.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

#375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it happened “all the time”, you would link examples Because I'm right, this is very easy to do. I thought that linking to why this happens would help you understand, but I can clear any bar you set. For example, variations of the DREAM act have been introduced in the House and Senate, often within a few months of each other, just like SOPA and PIPA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#Legislative_history But…

You can clear the goalposts you keep moving or redefining, certainly.

The goalposts are right where you left them with SOPA and PIPA.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

#376

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You can clear the goalposts you keep moving or redefining, certainly.

The goalposts are right where you left them with SOPA and PIPA.

Exactly, the two independent bills that both failed to pass.

Congrats, glad we agreed on that.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

#377

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The goalposts are right where you left them with SOPA and PIPA.

Exactly, the two independent bills that both failed to pass. Congrats, glad we agreed on that.

I have always agreed on that. Where we disagree is that these independent bills introduced months apart is a rare thing (it's not) coordinated as a way to force through the legislation (it can't).
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