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Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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Unsurprisingly, the title is sensationalist and not representative of the study. The study compares energy expenditure across different economic groups i.e. western people sitting in offices versus hunter-gatherers in Africa, and found that difference in energy expenditure does not account for differences in obesity, so points to consumption as the likely reason. The sample dataset explicitly excluded 'athletes', so…

> The sample dataset explicitly excluded 'athletes', so would exclude people that _are_ outrunning a bad diet. You can't outrun a bad diet. This is such a myth and I have no idea where it's coming from. Perhaps it's a nice lie one can tell himself to continue eating junk and not feel guilty about it. Athletes, especially body builders require a lot of calories but their diet is surprisingly healthy. They eat plenty o…

An athlete can outrun a sedentary person's bad diet, actually. It's all relative, of course, but the saying has exceptions.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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Chickens nuggets aren't necessarily that unhealthy even? They have about as much saturated fat as generic chicken thighs. Inherently food at Mcdonalds isn't that bad for you as long as you don't overeat and take a few supplements.

Whenever I eat Mcdonalds it's the coke that makes me feel guilty, and the super salty fries, the burger or nuggets I'm usually not that fussed about.

Salt isn't particularly bad unless you already have hypertension. There's a reason electrolyte (aka salt) dietary supplements like LMNT are becoming popular. Of course if you are already consuming lots of processed, salty foods you wouldn't need those supplements. But if you eat mostly whole foods, exercise regularly, and drink coffee you really do need to go out of your way to intake extra electrolytes.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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I think it is very easy for the average person to forget or not realize how incredibly easy it is to get calories into the body and how little food is necessary to do so. Most people in the world (I know, this is not everywhere and everyone), live in an era of food abundance. It's cheap enough, extremely accessible, often easy to eat or ready to eat, and that has simply made it very convenient to get calories in, often while barely thinking about it. Mindless eating, not thinking about what you should eat, etc. All of these factors have played into why obesity is such a problem (at least in the USA).

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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For most people, a 1 hour moderate run is only about 1-2 cookies worth (and only half a Crumbl cookie). Even a marathon run might only burn 2000 calories . a chipotle burrito is 1600 . In other words, for 95% of people doing activity, they shouldn't eat any surplus if their goal is to maintain or lose weight. It's actually best to do most of your activity undernourished, as it helps develop true intuitive nutrition f…

> It's actually best to do most of your activity undernourished, as it helps develop true intuitive nutrition feedback sensation. You'll start to sense how every macro and salt feels when you ingest it. Not exactly my experience. My did a exercise schedule involves climbing a mountain every week. The mountain is about 400 meters (that's ~1312 feet, or more than four American football fields laid end-to-end) tall, and…

I was in this loop when i started cycling to work. Thinking that with 2+ hours i could eat anything during the day.

You seem self aware that’s a good starting point

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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Yes I’m advocating eating less. It sounds like we agree with each other. What did I miss?

If someone would have eaten 3 meals for a sum of 2000 cal, with one being a 500 calorie meal, and they decide to switch that out with a 1600 calorie chipotle burrito, then the excess calories they need to burn are only 1100. Which a half marathon would more or less cover. The situation you described only makes sense if they're eating 2000 calories worth of food during the day then adding an extra chipotle burrito. Re…

we agree then that eating isn't necessary.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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That advice is usually more for people who are already fit but don't have abs. You can maintain a healthy level of fitness by adding some exercise into your life and being mindful of what you eat. But maintaining abs is a whole other project you practically have to center your life around. And indeed, it's mostly a matter of very strict dieting.

Okay then, how about "you can't outrun a bad diet"? Pick your favorite conventional wisdom fitness aphorism as it applies to you, but it's the same underlying principle.

I think that would be more appropriate, but yes I am aware I'm being a pedant!

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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N=1 but I lost over 100 pounds in 8 months by changing to a keto diet with zero exercise (consciously going even more sedentary than I already was) and have kept it off for over eight years now. After I reached my ideal weight I restored exercise to my previous normal level (which is minimal but not absolutely sedentary). After a year I slowly transitioned from strict keto to low carb for life.

I feel great, look good and my health improved dramatically. Before changing I was on meds for pre-diabetes, high blood pressure and poor HDL/Trig along with having bad apnea and tectonic snoring. All resolved after 8 months and still off the meds today. In the prior decade I'd spent a lot of effort and money trying various diets, including medically supervised, but they were hard, stressful and none worked long term. Even though I've never been athletic or remotely a gym-rat, intentionally going sedentary was an unusual choice because I'd always heard "eat less, move more" but exercise made me hungrier. So when I got serious about doing keto hardcore, I decided to pause even the minimal token "faux exercise" like an occasional pleasure bike-ride or short walk on weekends.

Frankly, that occasional, brief exercise probably never did anything in terms of weight loss anyway but it did provide a psychological excuse to slip on diet. So eliminating that excuse and putting all my focus on diet may have been the main benefit of going zero exercise during my weight loss period. After I got below my target 'dream weight', I returned to my usual minimal exercise and since then it's increased even more because now I actually enjoy exercise. It turns out that exercise is a lot more fun when you're not obese and winded after 90 seconds! I think Keto worked for me when other diets hadn't because it's so strict but also brutally simple. I've also always liked the low carb foods like meats and cheeses.

As a significant and long-term success case, I'll share my personal "keys to keto success": 1. Commit to doing it hardcore for at least 30 days. 2. Rigorously track every molecule of food intake in a tracking app for the first month. Yep, get measuring spoons and a kitchen scale for weighing things. Think of it as a cool lab experiment and you're the rat. Get used to cooking at home and bringing lunch to work until you get the hang of the low carb lifestyle. 3. For the first week do not track calories, just limit carbs religiously. Seriously, stuff all the calories you want. Steaks drenched in butter and sour cream, a quarter pound of cheddar, whatever. Why? The first week is the hardest and this makes the transition easier. The calories will be much easier after you get control of your blood sugar by limiting carbs. 4. You MUST supplement electrolytes (sodium & potassium) for at least the first week. "Keto Flu" is real, excruciating and so easy to avoid. I didn't take all the warnings seriously and failed my first attempt at keto in utter misery after just 38 hours. 5. Start on a quiet weekend where you can just focus on this from Fri afternoon to Mon morning. 6. Absolutely, positively DO NOT CHEAT on carbs for the first 30 days. Keto is different because the first 3-ish days of transitioning off carbs are pretty hard. If you cheat, you'll keep having to redo some or all of that transition over and over. It's like crossing a wall of fire. You can get through it fine the first time with focus and planning but you definitely do not want to be wobbling back and forth through it. Keto works because strictly limiting carbs controls blood sugar which reduces hunger making cutting calories much easier. If you need to cheat, cheat on calories not on carbs.

It's not as hard as it sounds. Just get past the first month and it all gets a lot easier. The results come fast. I lost 10 pounds in 10 days and 20 pounds in 30, which provides a lot of motivation! At around six weeks I became 'fat-adapted' which is a long-term metabolic transition to primarily burning fat instead of carbs (glucose) for energy. It felt absolutely amazing in every way - physically, mentally and emotionally, like nothing I'd ever experienced before. I was mentally sharper, physically quicker and emotionally more grounded in a positive mode. Everything just felt and worked better in subtle but tangible, meaningfully real ways. It made me never want to go back to living inside a primarily carb-adapted metabolism. Of course, I hadn't physically craved carbs since the first month and by around 60 days my old habitual eating patterns and reflexes had faded. Then at around 90 days my palate shifted, meaning I even lost my taste for carbie foods. If I tried a small bite of something carb-laden that I'd loved my whole life, it didn't even taste particularly good to me anymore. I also became hyper-sensitive to sugar. Sugar-soaked foods just taste poisonously over-sweetened (which they kind of are). A normal apple now tastes as sweet as I'd ever want, like a dessert that has extra sugar-added.

For most of my life my weight was a metabolic mystery seemingly out of my control. Today, it's hard to even remember what it was like being a slave to my raging blood sugar and constant hunger. Now I feel closely attuned to my body. This makes my weight and appearance an almost trivial conscious choice. Fortunately, going low-carb is a lot easier today than when I started in 2017. There are many more delicious low-carb food choices at the grocery and everyone has heard of keto so it's not as weird. Even Wal-Mart has a selection of keto-breads and, recently, bagels! Standard disclaimer: Every metabolism is different and what worked so effectively for me may not work as well for you.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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Can we all please acknowledge that intermittent fasting is just a form of calories restriction? If you ate a pizza after jogging, but that was all you ate all day, your results would probably be different as well.

Reduced calorie intake is just an added benefit. The main point of intermittent fasting is keeping your insulin levels low for the longest time possible, increasing insulin sensitivity, and forcing the body to use stored fat for energy.

Reduced calorie intake is the bit that makes you lose weight. Increased insulin sensitivity is a result of weight loss. "forcing the body to use stored fat for energy" is the mechanism by which weight loss happens.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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And then there's Michael Phelps, living proof you can outrun (or at least outswim) just about any diet you can imagine. He's obviously an extreme, but he's not the only example.

The point of the saying is to get most people to understand that the biggest factor in the average person's weight loss is their diet, not their exercise levels. Pointing out that elite endurance athletes and olympic athletes can have high calorie requirements isn't helpful or the point. Yes, energy must come from somewhere, but even among the generally fit and active portion of the population, only a vanishingly sma…

> The point of the saying is to get most people to understand that the biggest factor in the average person's weight loss is their diet, not their exercise levels.

Just say that then.

Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds

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post #376

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Okay then, how about "you can't outrun a bad diet"? Pick your favorite conventional wisdom fitness aphorism as it applies to you, but it's the same underlying principle.

I think that would be more appropriate, but yes I am aware I'm being a pedant!

It wouldn't be HN without some pedantry ;)
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