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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by teleforce »

jesseendahl wrote: post #332
ath92 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does all of that matter if an attacker has access to your device and can take screenshots of your conversations, or read those conversations out of memory in their unencrypted state?

No it doesn't — that's a totally different threat model. Advanced Data Protection is mostly concerned with protecting data from attackers on the server and in transit. If you're interested in protections when an attacker has physical access to your device, you should read the "Encryption and Data Protection" section of Apple's Platform Security Guide. Web: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/welcome/web PDF: htt…

In computer security if an adversary is having an unlimited physical access to hardware, it is considered a game over.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ChrisRR »

ok123456 wrote: post #115
jjani wrote: post #102

> Apple did not respond to a request for comment. “We have never built a back door or master key to any of our products, and we never will,” Apple said in February. This must be some "technically correct" weasel words bullcrap, as without at least equivalent access there is no chance Apple would be operating in China.

"We have never built." ok, so then who built it?

Oops, I accidentally dropped this document on your desk marked CONFIDENTIAL. Please don't read it

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by vrighter »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #88
pests wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a difference in kind I think. Creation of any type of work - art, writing, programming, modeling, deep research, etc is much more accessible on a PC than on a smartphone. Not only because of the input devices available, but also the restrictions of the platform and OS. Maybe it wasn’t intentional, but the form factor of the modern smartphone discourages creation. When I was a young child me and all my friends wo…

>the form factor of the modern smartphone discourages creation Ever take photos or videos with your phone? Is that not creation? >When I was a young child me and all my friends would “use the PC together” Same, but this is more "old man yells at clouds". Children today have their own way of creation, now using AI.

Imagining something that you to create is something anyone can (and does) do all the time.

Spending time learning how to actually create it, and then actually creating it is what makes someone an artist.

The children's "own way of creation", in your own words is to imagine what they want to create, and then ask something else to try doing what they want. If it's not what they want they complain and ask the system to try again.

I wouldn't be called an artist if I imagined a picture of myself riding a dragon, and then proceeded to commission a painting of that. Asking someone else to do the thing for you isn't being creative. It's being lazy. It's not making art "accessible". They couldn't do art before, and they still can't now. They just believe they can, just because they can "bark out an order at a slave".

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Post by pjc50 »

CJefferson wrote: post #74
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

I don't see why you think they don't understand the tech. This is going to be heresy here, but honestly I think it's a reasonable position. Not one I would take, but reasonable. For the first time in human history there can be large scale communication it is mathematically impossible for governments to have any access to. If you believe that governments are doing the job of protecting their citizens (and many do), it…

The problem is that digital excludes the middle.

The analogue systems had fundamental limits on how many people could be surveilled, and still we had abuses of the system. The digital system makes you choose between "surveil absolutely everyone all of the time" and "surveil nobody".

Note that you mention the postal service. Remember the Horizon Post Office scandal, where there was a huge swathe of wrongful prosecutions?

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Post by akimbostrawman »

deepsun wrote: post #289
theturtletalks wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in the US, even if Apple doesn’t have a backdoor, isn’t NSA linked up into the telecom companies already?

If there's a properly implemented end-to-end encryption, then NSA cannot see anything, even having full access to telco-s.

which you can verify because everthing is proprietary so it just there usual marketing play

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by akimbostrawman »

heavyset_go wrote: post #304
nl wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point of encryption in transit is that it doesn't matter if the telecom companies aren't trusted: they still can't read the data.

All the in-transit encryption in the world won't matter if they've pwned the decrypted client device. Every company from your device's manufacturer, OS vendor, telecom carrier, app distributors and 3rd party software providers can be compelled to help make that happen. And then there's always Cellebrite and friends.

You thinking way too deep when the whole OS including implementation of the E2EE is proprietary and could be silently and targeted exchanged for a backdoored variant if it's not by default.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by akimbostrawman »

Finally people can breathe easy again and pretend a proprietary walled garden which was already part of prism over a decade ago is actually private and secure.

If the UK wants to snoop they better grovel before US feds like everybody else to get access.

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Post by Gud »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #377

Finally people can breathe easy again and pretend a proprietary walled garden which was already part of prism over a decade ago is actually private and secure. If the UK wants to snoop they better grovel before US feds like everybody else to get access.

Ok, as a frequent UK traveler I would prefer that the UK government has to growel at the US feet than having immediate access to all data on my iCloud.

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Post by skeezyboy »

amelius wrote: post #187
caycep wrote: post #168

I don't get why the UK always does this. it's like GSM encryption all over again. Is it a particularly snoop-ey culture stemming from GCHQ or something?

Why should US have a monopoly on intelligence?

because what are you gonna do about it?
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