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Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

Article 5 is an option. Not a game mechanic.

> Article 5 is an option. Not a game mechanic.

Tell that to the very pro-Western political leaders here in Eastern Europe, they won't take that well at all.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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post #307

The headline of the article called these people cyber activists, and in the text of the article, they were called cybercriminals. Which is it? It reminds me a bit with the situation with privateers during the age of sail. These were often people operating at the edge of the law, or even outright outlaws, given a letter of marque, a license to raid warships and commerce against a specific adversary. I'm sure out on th…

Kind of a Robin Hood situation: Hero for some, criminal to the others. The article might be a collage of several other articles, and they didn't check for consistency. I would love some other term for the aligned side people in cyberwarfare, sort of "cybersoldier" or "networkmilitia", not already somehow cliched in some film. "Cyberactivists" sounds like online protesters (in facebook and such)

Wikipedia has an entry for "hacktivism".

The people who illegally obtained classified information to leak to WikiLeaks have made a political impact: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/26/wikilea... as well as reprisals in the form of arrests and prosecutions.

We also call Greenpeace "activists", but they also employed violent direct-action in their efforts against whaling.

Carl Icahn calls himself a shareholder activist, and many people still consider him a vulture capitalist.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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I think the point being made is that Western agencies (5-eyes) would give Ukranian intelligence the button to push (indirect action) and not push it themselves (direct action).

Why would that be the case? Ukraine has a very large IT sector and they have a lot of good IT security specialists. To be honest, a lot of cybercriminals have been from Ukraine. So I don't see why it would be the case that Ukraine could not have done this by themselves. They have done previous attacks by themselves. I don't see why that would be the case. It would kind of be like saying, "Oh, if Russia does a cyberat…

>Why would that be the case?

It's not speculation that Ukraine is being assisted to a huge degree.

One angle of that assistance: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-...

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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I am working for a medium sized Swiss company. We're coding our own ERP, based on a nightmare of a stack. We call it "security by confusion". An attacker would maybe find its way in, but he'll never find the way out. If he destroys 90% of our code, we'll still be up and running, because 95% of the codebase is obsolete.

Real world ICE barier! :D

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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post #249

Cyber warfare is really reaching a new peak in Ukraine, and not just the more-traditional cyberattacks like this. The target is of note; the drones themselves are the thing that's setting this war apart from all of the primarily human powered wars of the past centuries. Drones have revolutionized reconnaissance, sabotage, and munitions interception. Relative to their material cost, they can be terrifically destructiv…

Some assumptions here. First off, we only have one side of the story to go on. Often this can be embroidered, particularly if there is propaganda value from doing so. They could be using version control for their software with every developer having all of the software they have developed for their products git-cloned to their development machines. Assuming a modest development team working with version control (who…

You're right about this being a one-sided story, but not to suspect ChatGPT - it has none of the hallmarks of AI slop, plus it brings up a couple of reasonable and relevant points. You're only addressing a tiny part of the comment, but the rest stands, in my opinion.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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post #360

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Actually, I don't think that's known to have ever happened. The Allies protected Ultra intelligence by parallel construction--coming up with other means to 'discover' the same information (principally, sending a reconnaissance flight to the known location of wolf packs). The main claim for this myth is the sacrifice of Coventry during the Battle of Britain, but as far as I'm aware, historians are in general agreement…

"In his 1974 book The Ultra Secret, Group Captain F. W. Winterbotham asserted that the British government had advance warning of the attack from Ultra; intercepted German radio messages encrypted with the Enigma cipher machine and decoded by British cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park. He further claimed that Winston Churchill ordered that no defensive measures should be taken to protect Coventry, lest the Germans suspec…

And the Wikipedia article immediately goes on to detail refutations of that claim:

> Winterbotham's claim has been rejected by other Ultra participants and by historians. They state that while Churchill was indeed aware that a major bombing raid would take place, no one knew what the target would be.

[then follows three paragraphs of more detailed refutation]

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I don't think that's known to have ever happened. The Allies protected Ultra intelligence by parallel construction--coming up with other means to 'discover' the same information (principally, sending a reconnaissance flight to the known location of wolf packs). The main claim for this myth is the sacrifice of Coventry during the Battle of Britain, but as far as I'm aware, historians are in general agreement…

"In his 1974 book The Ultra Secret, Group Captain F. W. Winterbotham asserted that the British government had advance warning of the attack from Ultra; intercepted German radio messages encrypted with the Enigma cipher machine and decoded by British cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park. He further claimed that Winston Churchill ordered that no defensive measures should be taken to protect Coventry, lest the Germans suspec…

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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>GASKAR INTEGRATION Definitely one of the companies that everyone has heard of before. No need to mention any of their brand or product names, they're that famous. $3 million revenue in 2024. I'm sure we'll hear more about the epic defeat of this major military supplier in the future.

Cynical sarcasm so thick, one could spread it with a spoon. What do you get from trying to devalue the successful outcome?
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