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Why would you only count engineers?
Same reason I choose 500k, it's an approximation.
Given that Stack overflow has 500 employees, I'd say Safari requires 500 people rather than 100.
Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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> One phenomena I am seeing more that makes me boil with fury is infinite captchas in Firefox This is driven by enhanced tracking prevention. If you turn that off for the respective site, then it goes away.
Good to know. Pretty sure I try disabling protections in such situations but maybe not. I returned to the last site that did it to me to try this out (on a different machine) and it didn't captcha me at all with protections on! Ugh.
That's so weird. I've ended up just disabling ATP whenever I get a captcha. Super annoying but less annoying than the captchas.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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So these web apps will prompt the user to install and configure a third-party browser engine?
The likely outcome of alternate, capable browser engines coming to iOS will be to push Apple to invest in Safari so it can compete with them and not loose all of its market share. Otherwise, yes it's likely web apps will prompt their user to use a browser with a capable engine on iOS if they exist. Nothing to configure, install and use. Users will then be able to use capable web apps that take up a tenth of the stora…
On my Mac, Google Chrome takes 1.8 GB. I would be pretty sore if I had to download that on cellular while trying to hail a cab in a foreign country because the app requires something like the Battery Status API in order to extract a surcharge because my battery is at 2%.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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We are not generally used to this in our field but just think about the amount of paperwork you have to go through in order to construct a bridge or an airplane. Browsers have become a critical component and it seem not really unexpected that there will eventually be legal requirements to help to ensure that browsers are safe given the amount of software that runs on top of browsers. And this is also not new, there h…
Are you seriously suggesting that becoming more regulated like bridge/building builders is GOOD for software? You sure you are ready to freeze all innovation forever? Cause there is a well documented inverse relationship between regulation and innovation. (Small teams cannot afford compliance officers and other such dross. Big ones do move fast, and, without competition from the smells, do not need to)
For software used by regular people who do not know anything about software and shouldn't have to, used to manage their banking, do their taxes and other things that they need to be able to do online these days? Yes.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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It's almost every day I encounter a website that I choose not to use or choose to use in a degraded form because the intended experience would require me to install or configure my user agent in a way I do not desire.
That’s very different from the website not working on the default settings of Firefox, which is what most users are expected to be running.
Is it? 42% of internet users used ad blockers last year. That's an upwards trend and is surely going to be much higher on a niche browser compared to browsers that are installed by default. Firefox does not come with an ad blocker by default.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.
I mean, ideally you can choose to _not_ do so, tell your users "We only support Firefox and Chrome on iOS, and not Safari, because we do not own apple hardware", and then report bugs to mozilla/chrome if iOS users report differences. Being able to run cross-platform browsers on iOS does in fact make the very thing you're complaining about better. I would love it if the EU did in fact force apple to release a cross-pl…
> and then report bugs to mozilla/chrome if iOS users report differences.
A very unreasonable expectation.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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I mean, ideally you can choose to _not_ do so, tell your users "We only support Firefox and Chrome on iOS, and not Safari, because we do not own apple hardware", and then report bugs to mozilla/chrome if iOS users report differences. Being able to run cross-platform browsers on iOS does in fact make the very thing you're complaining about better. I would love it if the EU did in fact force apple to release a cross-pl…
> tell your users "We only support Firefox and Chrome on iOS, and not Safari, because we do not own apple hardware" I'd be pissed if someone did that for my browser engine of choice. Also, from what I understand, Apple still leads in accessibility, so this would be an asshole move towards consumers stuck in that ecosystem just because Google and Microsoft can't get their act together.
You should be pissed at the vendor of your favorite browser engine for not making it available cross platform. Until then, the reality distortion field that makes you think others need to put up with Apple's bullshit doesn't work outside their fan club. Sorry not sorry.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.
Go to an Apple store or use a friend's hardware.
No thanks. If apple wants others to care about their browser its up to them to make it reasonably easy to test.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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> How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? Download the windows version from their website? If Apple doesn't want to make their browser available for other hardware that's on them and they'll suffer the consequences. Blocking other entities from making their browser available on Apple's hardware is very different.
What's the point in testing on a browser that hasn't been updated in 15 years, even if you bother to set up a VM specifically for it (since every other browser works on all three OSes)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_(web_browser)#Windows
Actually, all web developers should be forced to test on 15 year old browsers - ideally with period appropriate hardware.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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> This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. Curious which Android flavour this is on. I'm running stock Android & I've found: 1. Chrome app can be set to "Disabled", but cannot be entirely uninstalled 2. When modifying any system settings that involve choosing defaults from a list of apps that could include Chrome, Chrome still appea…
>>Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS >Curious which Android flavour this is on emphasis mine
ah! I must've been tired...