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Post by spacemadness »

j2kun wrote: post #307
LeafItAlone wrote: post #217

I generally avoid George’s non-technical posts because they are… let’s say uninspired. But here is one that actually makes sense. Of course the self-reflection with who he otherwise praises and spends his time with will never set in, but at least others may take the time to look inward and do something differently. Something has to change. Even HN seems to have had an increase in sentiment like this in the past few y…

I have to wonder if some people are just trying to follow the hype. This reads like the "put a cell phone camera on your dashboard to make a car self-driving" approach to reflection.

I think there is genuine burnout. Also it makes sense that the more grizzled on HN have lived long enough to see the fruits of the labor, perhaps just tangentially, and what it has wrought. Coupled with the industry treating its workers pretty poorly right now and shattering all illusions, it makes sense this sentiment is rising.

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Post by bigyabai »

palmfacehn wrote: post #12
bigyabai wrote: post #4

> It’s not okay. Advertising is not okay. Price discrimination is not okay. Using big data, machine learning, and psychology to manipulate others at scale is not okay. Stop participating. Hinge is towards the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you'll do just fine without it.

Collectivists generally start from premises which discount or even dismiss individual agency.

Libertarians and revolutionaries often start from premises that overestimate their worth relative to millions of other ordinary people.

Spend for two weeks in the woods, and you'll find out who brings you food when you're hungry (spoilers: nobody).

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Post by spacemadness »

cantor_S_drug wrote: post #42
svnt wrote: post #3

I find these posts primarily interesting as a sort of demographic heatmap. Like now it has gotten to the point where instead of only chasing their interest of choice (geohot hacking, in this case), this person has become aware of the issue, and been sufficiently motivated to write a post about it. geohot is pretty deep into the center of the map afaict.

> Someday, people will have to realize we live in a society. What will it take? From all the podcasts (Trevor Noah, social media in general), etc, one good aspect that I find is now society in a distributed manner can point a finger to social problems. e.g. we desperately need community in our society, by that I mean, we need a modern version of village. Not being individualistic and self-centered in all decisions. A…

As long as we don’t turn needing community into some sinister excuse to force people into X religion or be ostracized, I’m all for it.

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Post by tossandthrow »

pydry wrote: post #325
tossandthrow wrote: post #288

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I find it difficult to believe that the price of training has not gone up. I am not as convinced as you. When training is 7 year degree to achieve some specialization it simply is not for everyone. Also, ubi is not anti work - it is merely the acknowledgement that not everyone have salary worthy things to do. The alternative it havy financialization as in you receive a tip when you bring down you neighbors garbage.

there are many reasons to be against a job guarantee but the presumption that every potential job nowadays requires a 7 year degree is a particularly bad one.

That is not the presumption - I trust that you are enough of a non-LLM to properly understand the message behind the words.

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Post by dundarious »

delusional wrote: post #17
svnt wrote: post #3

I find these posts primarily interesting as a sort of demographic heatmap. Like now it has gotten to the point where instead of only chasing their interest of choice (geohot hacking, in this case), this person has become aware of the issue, and been sufficiently motivated to write a post about it. geohot is pretty deep into the center of the map afaict.

I think this is what struck me as well. Hearing what I can only describe as radical anti-capitalism coming from George Hotz was not what I expected when I opened that link. That said I have felt the same feelings expressed by Hotz in this post. I commend him for saying it.

His post is the standard small C conservative critique. It's only radical in that capitalism has seeped into far more facets of life since the last time such a position had appreciable expression within politics.

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Post by tayo42 »

lazystar wrote: post #357
Workaccount2 wrote: post #331

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Here is the core problem laid out: 1.) Owner needs workers and wants to make the position attractive. 2.) Owner is given the option to enable tips, and entice works with "Pay, plus tips!" 3.) Owner doesn't pay tips, patrons do. 4.) Workers blame patrons, not owner, for not tipping. 5.) Patrons feel guilty and tip. Workers make pretty good money from this, and enjoy the job more. In a way it's kind of like a social mi…

as someone who survived on tips for 2 1/2 years while studying comp sci, you're missing one key detail. tips introduce a situation where harder/faster-paced workers get a higher pay per hour than workers with average productivity. a pizza driver that optimizes their routes and memorizes stop light patterns in their delivery zone will get more deliveries per hour than that of a new hire. so even though they work the s…

If more pizzas per hour is important then who ever is running the pizza place should be the one incentivizing that, not customers.

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Post by bigyabai »

lazystar wrote: post #357
Workaccount2 wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the core problem laid out: 1.) Owner needs workers and wants to make the position attractive. 2.) Owner is given the option to enable tips, and entice works with "Pay, plus tips!" 3.) Owner doesn't pay tips, patrons do. 4.) Workers blame patrons, not owner, for not tipping. 5.) Patrons feel guilty and tip. Workers make pretty good money from this, and enjoy the job more. In a way it's kind of like a social mi…

as someone who survived on tips for 2 1/2 years while studying comp sci, you're missing one key detail. tips introduce a situation where harder/faster-paced workers get a higher pay per hour than workers with average productivity. a pizza driver that optimizes their routes and memorizes stop light patterns in their delivery zone will get more deliveries per hour than that of a new hire. so even though they work the s…

1. Tips are not a reliable source of income (I am an American who also survived on tips).

2. Only people working front get tips. If you have a lazy busboy working front for the most talented chef in the world, the chef pockets $0.00/hr in tips.

3. If any computer science job ever contemplated adding tipping to my compensation package, I'd go get my pink slip within the hour.

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Post by bigyabai »

cedws wrote: post #98
immibis wrote: post #77

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The business model of Match Group, by the way, for those unaware, is to buy every dating app (yes, they own all of them; Bumble was once the lone hold-out but not any more) and then do everything they can to make you pay money for premium. They do not care if you get a date.

It’s genius really. They’ve inserted themselves into the social fabric, hijacked it, and then used cartel tactics to take control of competition. And nobody cares enough to start an antitrust suit.

Because 95% of us don't live on a computer, and recognize the potential to meet and court suitors at bars or social events.

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Post by aydyn »

alextingle wrote: post #99
aydyn wrote: post #64

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Everything except for steam, one of the few to do it right. Of course they arent perfect as nobody is, but in general they treat developers right, they treat customers right. Theres no personalized surge prices or other AI BS, and they dont ban randomly like google. If you buy a game on steam, you own it for real.

> If you buy a game on steam, you own it for real. How so? If Steam goes away, then so does your game. That's not ownership. Just because they have carefully and honestly fostered a lot of trust in their game rental service, doesn't make it not a game rental service.

If Steam itself goes bankrupt, Gabe himself said you'll still retain access to your games.1 Yes its a non-legally binding promise, but Steam has earned that trust.

Also Steam isn't going away, so for these reasons that is "how so".

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20100605062932/http://forums.ste...

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Post by aydyn »

immibis wrote: post #79
aydyn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything except for steam, one of the few to do it right. Of course they arent perfect as nobody is, but in general they treat developers right, they treat customers right. Theres no personalized surge prices or other AI BS, and they dont ban randomly like google. If you buy a game on steam, you own it for real.

No, Steam is still in its (unusually long) first phase of enshittification, where it delivers surplus value to consumers. Probably as long as gaben is alive, it will be so. But don't expect it to last. There's nothing special about Steam the platform. You definitely don't own Steam games for real, and they don't ban randomly but for example, if you're caught cheating in a game, or talking about illegal things with yo…

If you cheat in a game, you'll get VAC banned but still retain access offline.
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