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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Almondsetat »

jezze wrote: post #320
datagram wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMD cards are fine from a raw performance perspective, but Nvidia has built themselves a moat of software/hardware features like ray-tracing, video encoding, CUDA, DLSS, etc where AMD's equivalents have simply not been as good. With their current generation of cards AMD has caught up on all of those things except CUDA, and Intel is in a similar spot now that they've had time to improve their drivers, so it's pretty e…

I have no experience of using it so I might be wrong but AMD has ROCm which has something called HIP that should be comparable to CUDA. I think it also has a way to automatically translate CUDA calls into HIP as well so it should work without the need to modify your code.

AMD "has" ROCm just like Intel "has" AVX-512

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by whatevaa »

jezze wrote: post #320
datagram wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMD cards are fine from a raw performance perspective, but Nvidia has built themselves a moat of software/hardware features like ray-tracing, video encoding, CUDA, DLSS, etc where AMD's equivalents have simply not been as good. With their current generation of cards AMD has caught up on all of those things except CUDA, and Intel is in a similar spot now that they've had time to improve their drivers, so it's pretty e…

I have no experience of using it so I might be wrong but AMD has ROCm which has something called HIP that should be comparable to CUDA. I think it also has a way to automatically translate CUDA calls into HIP as well so it should work without the need to modify your code.

Consumer card ROCm support is straight up garbage. CUDA support project was also killed.

AMD doesn't care about consumers anymore either. All the money in AI.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by rightbyte »

alganet wrote: post #92
rightbyte wrote: post #81

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I don't see how GPU factories could be running in the event of war "in such a scale to drive silicon prices up". Unless you mean that supply will be low and people scavanging TI calculators for processors to make boxes playing Tetris and Space Invaders.

Why not? This is the exact model in which WWII operated. Car and plane supply chains were practically nationalized to support the military industry. If drones, surveillance, satellites become the main war tech, they'll all use silicon, and things will be fully nationalized. We already have all sorts of hints of this. Doesn't need a genius to predict that it could be what happens to these industries. The balance with…

> Why not?

Bombs that fly between continents or are launched from submarines for any "big scale" war.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by whatevaa »

nirv wrote: post #368
josephg wrote: post #361

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I've been using a 4090 on my linux workstation for a few years now. Its mostly fine - with the occasional bad driver version randomly messing things up. I'm using linux mint. Mint uses X11, which, while silly, means suspend / resume works fine. NVIDIA's drivers also recently completely changed how they worked. Hopefully that'll result in a lot of these long term issues getting fixed. As I understand it, the change is…

No browser on Linux supports any other backend for video acceleration except VAAPI, as far as I know. AMD and Intel use VAAPI, while Nvidia uses VDPAU, which is not supported anywhere. This single fact means that with Nvidia graphics cards on Linux, there isn't even such a simple and important feature for users as video decoding acceleration in the browser. Every silly YouTube video will use CPU (not iGPU, but CPU) t…

VAAPI support in browsers is also bad and oftenly requires some forcing.

On my Steam deck, I have to use vulkan. AV1 decoder is straight up buggy, have to disable it with config or extensions.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Havoc »

They’re not full of shit - they’re just doing what a for profit co in a dominant position does.

In other news I hope intel pulls their thumb out of their ass cause AMD is crushing it and that’s gonna end the same way

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by orphea »

conception wrote: post #208
piperswe wrote: post #193

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10 years ago, $650 would buy you a top-of-the-line gaming GPU (GeForce GTX 980 Ti). Nowadays, $650 might get you a mid-range RX 9070 XT if you miraculously find one near MSRP.

Keeping with inflation (650 to 880) it’d get you a 5070TI.

  5070TI
Which, performance-wise, is a 60TI class card.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by artursapek »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

I just learned MTG this year because my 11 year old son got into it. I like it. How did it “go to shit”?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by snarfy »

I'm a gamer and love my AMD gpu. I do not give a shit about ray tracing, frame generation, or 4k gaming. I can play all modern fps at 500fps+. I really wish the market wasn't so trendy and people bought what worked for them.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by moogly »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #171
ionwake wrote: post #10

I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I found it super alarming because why would they f…

> I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I don't know what you're referring to, but I'd j…

> what you are describing is criminal fraud that any plaintiff's lawyer would have a field day with

"Corporate puffery"

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by homebrewer »

ho_schi wrote: post #324
senko wrote: post #296

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> AMD GPUs aren't good enough. Software. AMD has traditionally been really bad at their drivers. (They also missed the AI train and are trying to catch up). I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.

This is wrong. For 14 years the recommendation on Linux is: * Purchase always AMD. * Purchase never Nvidia. * Intel is also okay. Because the AMD drivers are good and open-source. And AMD cares about bug reports. The one from Nvidia can and will create issues because they’re closed-source and avoided for years to support Wayland. Now Nvidia published source-code and refuses to merge it into Linux and Mesa facepalm Wh…

I have zero sympathy for Nvidia and haven't used their hardware for about two decades, but amdgpu is the sole reason I stick to linux-lts kernels. They introduce massive regressions into every mainline release, even if I delay kernel updates by several minor versions (to something like x.y.5), it's still often buggy and crashy.

They do care about but reports, and their drivers — when given time to stabilize — provide the best experience across all operating systems (easy updates, etc), but IME mainline kernels should be treated as alpha-to-beta material.

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