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Post by tomComb »

discostrings wrote: post #261
adeelk93 wrote: post #257

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Account > Settings > Communication > Marketing Preferences. Uncheck them all. A bit hidden, but it does work.

At the point in time when I disabled notifications for the app, it did not. I tried that. Even after navigating dark patterns, digging into the menus, and turning those options off, I still received promotion notifications. Perhaps they've fixed it since? I don't know because they've already burned my trust and they've done nothing to earn it back. Publicly acknowledging and apologizing for this would have been a way…

I can sympathize. I don’t know about uber in particular but it gets quite tiring trying to find and follow these obscure settings.

And what’s worse is that the companies always seem to find a way to reset it to what they want quite frequently. One of their tricks is to reorganize permissions frequently so the ones that allow their spam to get through are always new.

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Post by Veen »

holowoodman wrote: post #139
Veen wrote: post #83

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Lack of openness means a lack of privacy in theory, but in practice, openness often results in less privacy. The average user lacks the knowledge, time, and motivation to install and configure open systems to maximize privacy. They're likely to make mistakes that expose private data. A closed system that prioritizes privacy will result in more users benefiting from greater privacy overall, even if it does give the pl…

A non-open system is not verifyable and therefore not trustable. Therefore a non-open system can never deliver privacy. At best it can attempt to trick you into believing it does.

Risk isn’t an absolute. Open systems may be verifiable, but they are also more difficult to use, inconvenient, and lack the features users want. So most people won’t use them or will use them badly. Apple reduces privacy risk relative to open solutions used by non-expert users. The purist approach to privacy increases risk to ordinary users. It’s better to be pragmatic; Apple isn’t ideal, but it’s better than the realistic alternatives.

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Post by troupo »

mcphage wrote: post #209
troupo wrote: post #121

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Modern Apple can't even do tacky things. Tacky things under Jobs were failed experiments. Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments or failed experiments.

> Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments Apple Vision Pro qualifies here.

You got me :) I completely forgot about Vision Pro

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Post by surgical_fire »

memset wrote: post #171

I got this ad too. I increasingly use wallet for everything - multiple credit cards, show tickets, transit tickets. Is there an alternative? Android?

I use Google Wallet for some things because I am an Android user, and sometimes the most convenient way to pay for shit online is using the mobile wallet. I just happen to hate Apple more than I hate Google.

That said, both Apple and Google are shit companies that should jot be trusted with this. I with there was a third option

Also, please not FB. I have to be careful with what I wish sometimes.

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Post by graemep »

wat10000 wrote: post #293
steveBK123 wrote: post #215

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Agree they have a huge taste problem, but even besides that Apple has a huge incumbent problem now really. Smartphones ate the world, and they ate the majority of profit in the space. We are now 20 years on and the software is no longer driving the urgency of the hardware upgrade cycle it used to. Apple gets the majority of its revenue from iPhones and related services. Note that services category includes all sorts…

Apple’s MO, at least in recent decades, is to let others blaze the trail into a new space, then do their own version that gets it right. Smartphones were a big deal before the iPhone. People would talk about how they were addicted to checking email on their “crackberries.” But they were niche. You could see that they were going to be big, but they weren’t there yet. Then the iPhone catapulted smartphones from a popul…

Other way round with GUIs. Apple were first to mass market, and MS were far more successful.

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Post by supertrope »

drob518 wrote: post #184
somenameforme wrote: post #161

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Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Yep. And this is why “liquid glass” is the hot new thing this year. That’s basically all we have left to drive the refresh cycle that tech is addicted to.

Just like the new fashion season, car model year updates, and spectator sport video games roster updates. Change for the sake of driving sales. Has anyone done fashion as a service (FaaS)?

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Post by Nemi »

jmsdnns wrote: post #48
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Jobs hated ads. You're right that he never wouldve done what Apple is doing now. Cook needs to stop listening to investors, like Warren Buffett, because he's letting them wreck Apple's integrity for the sake of making a buck. Apple just isnt user focused like they used to be and it's crappy.

I am curious what you attribute that Warren Buffett is asking Tim Cook to do? Warren is notorious for being hands-off with operations. I can't imagine him having ANY commentary on what Tim Cook should be doing with Apple other than with capital allocation.

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Post by pests »

lapcat wrote: post #353
diskzero wrote: post #286

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Apple employee pre, during and post Steve. I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached. My recollection is that Eddy Cue got the most critiques, Phil Schiller the least and the rest were in between. Eddy would push back and still get shut down. When Steve left the last time, it was knives out between these guys with Scott Forstall…

> I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached. Was it common for lower-level employees to take part in C-suite meetings and arguments?

Sounds like he’s been around awhile, might not be as lower-level as you think.

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Post by latexr »

bigyabai wrote: post #320
latexr wrote: post #281

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Which has nothing to do with the point, which is that that’s what they rail against, not ads. If they are hypocrites about it is an orthogonal matter.

It's genuinely getting depressing watching HN try to justify Tim Cook's actions ad-hoc. You can't name a single ideal Apple values more than money. Soon (2028?) "Yes, we know Apple advertises to us and backdoors their services for the government. But *at least* my personal data isn't being sold, without Apple's privacy promise I would be helpless."

> It's genuinely getting depressing watching HN try to justify Tim Cook's actions ad-hoc.

Your comment is absurd. I criticise Tim Cook all the time.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Try to understand what people are saying without injecting your own preconceived notions and maybe you won’t get as depressed. Making a correction about a point is not the same as defending it.

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Post by nixpulvis »

aqme28 wrote: post #130
em500 wrote: post #129

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly…

Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

The Boston parking meter app violates this FFS. Love getting Nift gift card promotions randomly from the app I'm forced to use to pay the meter /s
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