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Post by soderfoo »

heavyset_go wrote: post #253
amarait wrote: post #197

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We dont even know what constitutes a mental voice. Hell, a huge percentage of people cant hear their own voices in their heads

During psychosis there is no question about what you hear. You hear it. You may know it isn't real, but you hear it.

I think people often imagine hallucinations as glaringly fake—I did, at least.

It was an eye-opener when I finally realized the faint FM radio sounds I kept hearing in the middle of the night were actually manic hallucinations.

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Post by wasabi991011 »

shippage wrote: post #362
LoganDark wrote: post #220

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I wonder if there are any schizophrenics with dissociative identity disorder. We're not schizophrenic but we have voices (we don't hear them as from outside though)

I have met a few people online who told me they were diagnosed with both. Schizophrenia spectrum disorders (SSDs) and DID can apparently co-occur. From [0] (2016): > One study showed that in a sample of patients diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) 74.3% also met diagnostic criteria of a SSD, 49.5% met diagnostic criteria for schizoaffective disorder, and 18.7% met diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia…

I'd be willing to try institutional academic accounts if you ever have some paywalls article you want to read. Just shoot me an email at partner_privacy@proton.me

Also, my partner likely has DID and is struggling with it somewhat. If you have advice or are willing to answer some questions, I'd appreciate talking about it. But I know it's a big ask, respectfully, so I understand if not.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

throw-qqqqq wrote: post #234
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #212

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yeah but a sizeable part of the discussion here has been about women with menopause starting to show schizophrenic behaviors. So that might be a significant amount of the schizophrenic cases in the population.

> So that might be a significant amount of the schizophrenic cases in the population I dont think they are. Most are diagnosed in their teens or early twenties. Women slightly later than men. Women diagnosed in their menopause are not a majority of diagnosed schizophrenics; far from. I understood that part as merely a curiosity.

OK, I just figured if there were specific large groups of schizophrenics that manifested outside of prime procreative years that it might be a reason for it to not be such an evolutionary mystery. Of course it was unlikely this was the case as surely some of the people claiming evolutionary mystery would have thought of it and ran the data.

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Post by e1ghtSpace »

abbadadda wrote: post #120
e1ghtSpace wrote: post #115

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You should get her to watch one of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E61Hup6hWWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZSWS6rNv0I

why?

one of the cards in the first video looks like it says "the game" but then I went back to read it and it actually says "the care", so I though it might help.

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Post by shippage »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #372
shippage wrote: post #362

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I have met a few people online who told me they were diagnosed with both. Schizophrenia spectrum disorders (SSDs) and DID can apparently co-occur. From [0] (2016): > One study showed that in a sample of patients diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) 74.3% also met diagnostic criteria of a SSD, 49.5% met diagnostic criteria for schizoaffective disorder, and 18.7% met diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia…

I'd be willing to try institutional academic accounts if you ever have some paywalls article you want to read. Just shoot me an email at partner_privacy@proton.me Also, my partner likely has DID and is struggling with it somewhat. If you have advice or are willing to answer some questions, I'd appreciate talking about it. But I know it's a big ask, respectfully, so I understand if not.

> ...if you ever have some paywalls article you want to read. Just shoot me an email...

Thanks. I appreciate it. Will do if I come across something.

> Also, my partner likely has DID and is struggling with it somewhat. If you have advice or are willing to answer some questions, I'd appreciate talking about it.

Sure. Not sure if you're wanting advice/help for yourself, your partner, or both, but email me at shippage_hn@proton.me if you'd like to talk. I know more about my own particular kind of DID than others, but am willing to talk about what I know of the generalities, too, as well as a bit about my experiences (including getting a diagnosis) if that helps you or your partner.

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Post by varjag »

_ink_ wrote: post #274
varjag wrote: post #267

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There is no evidence people are measurably more intelligent now than two-three decades ago.

I think there is evidence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Nearly everything around you save for a sliver of software was invented (and often built) by people over the last hundred years. There is no empirical evidence for qualitative difference in intelligence, certainly not to account for sudden onset of infertility.

If the effect from 1934 to 2008 had been 14 points (believable given advances in nutrition and education), what had it been from 2008 to 2025? And is it reasonable to believe that those hypothesized couple points from the old median did it?

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Post by Nevermark »

alganet wrote: post #69
Nevermark wrote: post #60

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> I am highly skeptical of the idea that any genetic component Something can still be (weakly or strongly) genetic, but not inherited in any direct way. I.e. due to a particular mix of genes.

The kinds of genetic claims people usually make about schizophrenia are of the hereditary kind (including the post article), not random mutations. I attribute this to how the illness is researched: finding a genetic factor would be a major breakthrough, so lots of people do studies on that, and eventually force their way into a discovery that represents a narrow subset of the illness but ultimately fails to explain i…

Yeah, I was referring to a mix of genes not mutation.

Some things happen only with the right set of genes, which don’t come together through any obvious combination of parents or ancestors and may also be unlikely to pass on as a set to children too.

Even more complicated, there may be alternative genes, making identifying which genes are a factor and which are not very difficult.

But I am just pointing out that most things have a genetic pattern behind them, since all our features do.

But it appears making any progress there has been difficult.

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Post by vbezhenar »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #363
vbezhenar wrote: post #202

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She will break down, then she'll get strong meds and she'll change unrecognizably. Think twice before making a long relationship with this person. You'll get a lot of stress and eventually she'll change drastically. Schizophrenia has a strong genetic component, so think twice about making a children as well.

> She will break down, then she'll get strong meds and she'll change unrecognizably. Think twice before making a long relationship with this person. Isn't this risk mitigated if the respective person is (also) an anti-psychiatry activist? ;-)

Doctors prescribe meds for a reason. Schizophrenia is not a funny thing. Person with voices in the head, can hurt or kill, themselves or someone. It's a choice between two evils. My spouse has these issues, and it was much worse for me, when she resisted to take a treatment. And treatment eventually changed her, so it's very terrible thing that I wouldn't recommend someone to experience voluntarily.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

vbezhenar wrote: post #379
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #363

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> She will break down, then she'll get strong meds and she'll change unrecognizably. Think twice before making a long relationship with this person. Isn't this risk mitigated if the respective person is (also) an anti-psychiatry activist? ;-)

Doctors prescribe meds for a reason. Schizophrenia is not a funny thing. Person with voices in the head, can hurt or kill, themselves or someone. It's a choice between two evils. My spouse has these issues, and it was much worse for me, when she resisted to take a treatment. And treatment eventually changed her, so it's very terrible thing that I wouldn't recommend someone to experience voluntarily.

> Schizophrenia is not a funny thing. Person with voices in the head, can hurt or kill, themselves or someone.

I know people with schizophrenia (both treated and untreated), but I really seem to be the kind of person who seems to have much less problems getting along with schizophrenic people than what is common in society.

If you ask me: a lot of "weird" stuff that I read on the internet over the decades is magnitudes more "weird" than what most schizophrenic people do - so by being an avid internet users for decades, what many people consider to be "repulsive" in schizophrenic people is just "normal variance" to me. Honestly, I often find "well-adjusted", conformist people to be much more repulsive and annoying than what I experienced with schizophrenic people.

Update: If someone told me they hear voices in their head, I'd rather be the kind of person who curiously asks for details, and will attempt to do some scientific investigations (e.g. about the personality traits or "true" intentions of the voices that the respective person hears). :-) :-)

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