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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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my bad, he never made that trip to Poland in the end, but the Polish government passed a resolution to enable it, which made me figure it was a done deal. I only listed the four crimes the ICC deals with in terms of stating its directive, I wasn't asserting that Israel was necessarily guilty of all of them. In terms of things relevant to the current conflict in Gaza, war crimes and crimes against humanity are relativ…

> my bad, he never made that trip to Poland in the end, but the Polish government passed a resolution to enable it, which made me figure it was a done deal. Fair enough, even the bit about the Polish resolution is still good intel. > You didn't vote for this mess, did you? Oh hell nah. Doesn't matter though, Trump won every single step of the way. > In terms of things relevant to the current conflict in Gaza, war cri…

> the fewer Americans believe that it is worth the full cost to be responsible for the bulk of Europe's defense

tbh, I'm not entirely seeing it. The public mostly prefer local issues and can be quite fickle when it comes to priorities and are often easily influenced. IMHO the low tax lobby are just looking for a scapegoat to justify tax cuts and undermining US geo-political goals is puzzlingly the attack vector to maintain it, which is the biggest break from the old GOP. If I were a betting man, I reckon the moment the US finds the money to start to put a dent in the deficit, will be the moment tax breaks get back on the agenda and the defecit will end up untouched.

The point is kinda moot anyway now since US tax dollars are being spent bombing Iran which is specifically what we were all told _wasn't_ going to happen with this new strategy, so idk anymore. But this administration is like that, fickle, deceitful, reactionary, eccentric.

> I'm pretty on board with that.

I mean I hate Hamas as much as I hate Otzma Yehudit. They're both fascist, genocidal freaks who want the eradication of the other and I'd prefer a world without either. So Otzma Yehudit propping up this current Israeli coallition makes me struggle to pick a side here. I can support the eradication of Hamas, but at the same time I doubt the current strategy is going to be effective in doing that, given that the current campaign is creating another generation of scarred Palestinians who will rightly hold an emotional grudge against the state of Israel. I wouldn't mind if their strategy was swift and effective like the highly successful Hezbollah dismantling, but I can't help but think this is all strung out intentionally to keep Israel in a state of war so Netanyahu remains outside of a jail cell. Yoav Gallent himself stated that continuing the war in Gaza seemed kinda pointless given he felt that Israel's military objectives had been met and got fired for having that perspective. I'm starting to feel the cruelty is the point, especially since Ben Gvir is kingmaker. I can support Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but I can't support a fascist genocidal freak like Ben Gvir, that man is a monster.

I think the strategy on Iran has been an incredible failure, from rescinding a diplomatic agreement in the first Trump adminstration to the bombing today. Taken as a whole its a massive fumble, especially given how weak the Iranian administration has been looking recently and how its not very popular among the Iranian people. Given that US intelligence appeared to suggest that Iran isn't close to building a nuke and Trump has somehow forced Gabbard into a 180 on the subject, it feels like we're back in 2003 hyping up a WMD fear that we'll find out later isn't the case.

2025 has just been a big advert for nuclear proliferation, given that these strikes would never have happened if Iran had a nuke, that Ukraine would never have been invaded if it didn't give up its nukes, with a reluctant ally in the US trying to force a peace on Ukraine with a loss of territory earlier on this year.

> Oh hell nah. Doesn't matter though, Trump won every single step of the way.

Good to hear, I was starting to wonder. Tbf, the final vote count was a lot closer than in the moment his victory was declared. He clearly won but was as puzzlingly close as the last time he won, I guess I should be thankful that I'm insultated from the sort of American that votes for him because he doesn't at all look like the sort of person that the Americans I know and love could ever vote for.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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idk but for 24 years US presidents did that and then they didn't. I'm asking why and what I get out of it is that the current US president is maybe more friendly to Israel than previous presidents.

I don't know that we get anything out of it, but frankly I think we should respect what countries consider their capital. It is such a ridiculous thing to deny which we haven't done with any other country. Even our adversaries like the Soviet Union and China had their capitals acknowledged. If there was some sort of precedence for not accepting capitals, I wouldn't have a problem, but as far as I can tell Israel is t…

its not about the thing, its about the negative ramifications. If we ever want peace in the middle east we need a two state solution, to get a two state solution means horse trading and this was a horse we could have traded, instead of giving it up for free. I entirely agree with you in how its logically wrong to deny a capital change to another nation but this isn't about logic, its about politics and diplomacy in a war-torn region to try to fashion an ever lasting peace between two often/mostly/always irrational actors.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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The parent comment never mentioned any of that. You're chewing them out for living somewhere you disagree with. And unless that parent poster's name is Rupert Murdoch, I guarantee you they cannot do anything to change these issues for you. Where do you live? Since you're so confident in the righteousness of your politics.

The guy you replied to are anti-academia, anti-ICC, defends Trump and mostly uses Twitter posts as source for his claims. I don't think his location is so relevant.

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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https://x.com/goddeketal/status/1934945918047998203/photo/1 aipac is boasting about funding majority of congress and is openly forcing candidates to pledge loyalty. If they dont pledge, they unleash the usual tools: funding the competing candidate, non-stop smearing campaigns via israeli-loyal media outlets and ethnically jewish journalists (==all mainstream media), bogus accusations of "antisemitism" and etc

aipac is a middle-of-the-pack spender at best.

Its about impact, not only funding, because aipac has not only carrot ($$$), but also a stick (an army of lapdog press journos willing to write and smear anybody for anything).

Just tells you how thrifty they are

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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for the sake of understanding your position, could you provide some examples? to me it doesn’t seem clear that israeli foreign policy is far removed from US foreign policy or even in contention. The way we vote at the UNSC proves our support for some of the most grotesque of actions - deliberately killing infants and children. Their recent preemptive strike on Iran is, imo, further evidence of that proxy status.

Israel is very much not in the control of the US. The US didn’t want Gaza razed to the ground. The US didn’t want to start another regional war. We were try to get out if this mess. Our population voted to get out of military action in the Middle East. Unfortunately for the US, we’re stuck with what Israel decides to do. A lot of Americans are in favor of supporting Israel for one reason or another. If Irsael is some…

What I mean by proxy state is that Israel is effectively treated as an extension of the US. No other country enjoys such unconstitutionally explicit protection with laws on the books for the majority of states [0]. A Florida congressperson wore their IDF uniform to the US capitol, acting in their official capacity [1].

Virtually unconditional support is provided on the global stage, and clearly, we are comfortable with starting another regional war. But saying we're "stuck with what Israel decides to do" sounds a bit fatalistic, no?

0. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/31/texas-boycott-israel... 1. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israel...

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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I don't know that we get anything out of it, but frankly I think we should respect what countries consider their capital. It is such a ridiculous thing to deny which we haven't done with any other country. Even our adversaries like the Soviet Union and China had their capitals acknowledged. If there was some sort of precedence for not accepting capitals, I wouldn't have a problem, but as far as I can tell Israel is t…

its not about the thing, its about the negative ramifications. If we ever want peace in the middle east we need a two state solution, to get a two state solution means horse trading and this was a horse we could have traded, instead of giving it up for free. I entirely agree with you in how its logically wrong to deny a capital change to another nation but this isn't about logic, its about politics and diplomacy in a…

I guess you are more of an optimist than me. If I thought we could get peace sooner just by not recognizing their capital, I would be all for it.

I don't think a two state solution is possible, at least in the near to medium future. Changing the capital won't extend the war since, in my view, it will be a hundred years until there is any chance at peace, and even that is probably too short. Nobody killing each other then will care that the capital was changed.

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Let's not overlook that Israel has bought all previous US presidents back to its founding, and more than enough Congresscritters. We have been treating Israel as if it were the 51st state, including unconditionally funding and defending it.

The data doesn't seem to support this claim. Israel has not "bought" any Presidents. Even assuming all pro-israel spending comes from the government of Israel and not from say U.S. groups that support Israel, it is a fraction of the combined and individual spending of other interest groups. The pro-Israel lobby has spent roughly 10-15M per year since 1990 except for the past 2-3 years when it has ramped up due to the…

> The pro-Israel lobby has spent roughly 10-15M per year... This is hardly enough to offset the billions of dollars spent in U.S. politics

Those $10-15 mil are given to politicians and the billions are spent from US tax payers money.

> For this to be true it would also require Israel to "buy" presidents who acted against Israel's interests

You might want to look into campaign contributions made by AIPAC and similar isreli institutions to these presidents.

> Most (75-90%) of U.S. Federal military aid to Israel is contingent on Israel buying from American companies.

Which effectively makes these weapons free for Israel. US is literally funding Israeli army.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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that doesn't answer the question.

The ICC acts under the Rome Statute. Strictly speaking, it isn’t concerned about whether arrests succeed or not, that’s not its job. Its job is to investigate and (if possible) perform trials. You don’t stop investigating war crimes and bring charges just because the accused is currently unavailable. The latter may change, and has already changed in the past. Furthermore, the mere act of investigating can already put…

Are they a court or a historical society? Surely they don't operate under the premise that they will never have an opportunity to fulfill their own mandate?

Netanyahu or Putin accidentally wandering into a hostile country sounds like a ludicrous scenario but if that ever happens to any signatory they are treaty-bound to arrest him and extradite him to The Hague. What's the plan for dealing with the blowback? Either the host country violates the Rome statute or they have initiated a war with a hostile, well-armed foreign entity.

Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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The amount of dilly-dallying on the Israeli question (which is at the heart of the OP issue also) is enough evidence that the EU is a has-been power - they can't even make up their minds, what with France against the Iran strikes, while Germany likes Israel "doing our dirty work". And both are centre-right governments to boot! If the White House is the clownshow in the circus, the EU is the acrobatics act.

France has been okay with iran strikes

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/in-israel-military-action-ag...

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