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Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Meta lies about all kinds of other things. No reason not to now - they seem to have paid very little penalty so far for getting caught.

Is there any evidence Meta has ever intentionally lied about anything? Like do you have any examples?

We care about your privacy

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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All the major social media and messaging platforms are compromised and serve as tools for surveillance, so the Iranian government isn't wrong.

Not wrong, but Meta in particular is uniquely compliant to the wishes of state actors.

If Meta is compliant, there’s no point t believe that any other USA based corp is any better.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

I mean, i would be pretty shocked if meta refused to honour american search warrants/NSL. The real question is where they draw the line, not if they do it ever.

Unfortunately, They has no lines.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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You can go decompose the binary and check (or monitor network activity). WhatsApp has been audited for implementing E2E encryption and consistently passed.

E2E encryption does not protect against any of this. Whatsapp can still decrypt messages locally and feed back information to meta.

TBF, no-one's as-yet found a Meta binary doing this.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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> the American people have the stomach for another Middle Eastern war, Sure they do. It's another faraway TV war. Trump is just pretending like he s hesitating to ease his fundamentalist MAGA base into it.

But the Democrats/liberals also don't want a war, especially one that vaguely supports Israel. Very few people in America are anything less than strongly opposed, just a few Iran hawks.

We re about to find out in the following days

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Because the entire rest of society has wrapped itself around Facebook, Whatsapp, and Instagram. It is easy to be a free software purist until you need to know if your child's school has a snow day. Websites and mailing lists are dead. I cannot be involved in my child's school or any of the informal social networks around the parents and teachers without using Meta's platforms. I cannot volunteer at a non-profit I car…

Nobody can be forced to use these apps. If you don't want, they will find some other way, I personally only respond to email.

There are parts of the world that run on WhatsApp. In Brazil it is impossible to live a normal life without it, as absolutely everything from shopping to parking to healthcare is managed through WhatsApp specifically.

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Signal lagged so far in polish and features that getting friends and family to use it was doa. So I can choose to communicate with friends and family on the apps they use, or I make it very difficult for them to communicate with me. That ends with them mostly not communicating with me, not with them switching apps.

don’t your friends and family have phone numbers? I have right now 12 active groups on my text messages. why on earth do you need “app”??! I am lost …

> I have right now 12 active groups on my text messages.

You're definitely in a minority. Most people send and receive zero non-MFA related SMS.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Is there any evidence Meta has ever intentionally lied about anything? Like do you have any examples?

We care about your privacy

The best lies are corporate lies. And those lies are said plainly, calmly, and with a sense not of conviction but rather it it's not a serious claim because it was always a true statement ... just repeating it now.

They are also uttered on TV, in public talks and to a far lesser extent in court. Court is a formal process. Outside it's not. There's a big difference.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Is there any evidence Meta has ever intentionally lied about anything? Like do you have any examples?

Ha. This is why the best lawyers in the world work for these people. Over drinks, when I brought up some of the blatant dark patterns in the ad market, someone who worked at one of the biggest companies in the world responded to me bluntly: "yeah, sure, but have we ever lost a case in court over click fraud? No, we have not."

Correct. The best liers like the best bullies are really good at assessing risk. They're honest in close when they sense they're butt is not on the line.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I have no idea but I sure hope so.

Will this result in bloody civil war like in Iraq and minimal dysfunctional central government after?

Iran played a role in Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Ira...

That bloody civil requires resources from somewhere, so a bi geopolitical power with interests in that chaos is necessary

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