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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by spencerflem »

msgodel wrote: post #88
unethical_ban wrote: post #65

Whether or not someone supports the current topic of the mostly peaceful and somewhat rebellious and violent protests, this much is clear. You either support somewhat violent protests, regardless of topic, expecting that law enforcement and civilians will handle it amongst themselves, or you are authoritarian and demand that the federal government intervene with the US Armed Forces the moment someone throws a rock at…

>lacks values I really hated when Fox news would say things like this and I hate it when individuals do. It makes it impossible for us to communicate. Just because the other side doesn't share your values doesn't mean they have none. You might say their values are evil. That's a different discussion, but they're rarely just reacting blindly.

I say their values are evil.

They are bad people.

It makes me feel sick as a programmer knowing how many people on this board that values "hacker" anti authoritarianism and curiosity would have the government send the military to shoot their own citizens

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by intended »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #130
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

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I have a bridge to sell you.

I suspect many commenters on HN would also have bridges to sell you, seeing as they’re from around the world, and countries where similar statements were made.

The statement is one thing. Reality is different, even with the best intentions, things get messy, and then the media and information firestorm that follows leaves scars that fester for decades.

You’d be lucky if it doesn’t lead to new infections and new wounds.

Which is why self inflicted wounds are so absurd, especially from nations that have the expertise to know better.

But - expertise is expensive, and entertainment and narrative vitality is the currency we traffic in.

A currency that pushes the costs of clean up and figuring out what happened to the future, if you are lucky to have any committees to look at it all.

We all need a news system that isn’t competing with engagement.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by input_sh »

barrenko wrote: post #241
kmarc wrote: post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

I used to think that the quote "Elections have consequences." is much much more benign.

As someone born just south of the Hungarian border, I feel it is important to point out just how quickly election integrity deteriorates afterwards.

Or to quote Serbian president's freudian slip (from just two days ago): "Every living soul in Kosjerić [small town that held municipal elections] came out to vote against us, but we still managed to win."

It is fucking bullshit how a country can spend decades building up its democratic institutions and all it takes is one opportunist to get elected once to undo it all and solidify himself into power for the next 15ish years. And then after they finally leave, you have to start all over again from scratch.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by chippiewill »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

So say we all

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #366
TiredOfLife wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Foreign nationals waving flag of their nation, attacking citizens and being in country without permission. Smells like invasion But is not. Invasions are military offensives involving combatants of a geopolitical entity [1]. If this is an invasion, every rally in which a Confederate flag is waived is a rebellion. Also, § 4 concludes with "and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislat…

If waving a foreign flag is an invasion, boy America is going to have a lot of invasions when it co-hosts the football world cup next year

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by TiredOfLife »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #366
TiredOfLife wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Foreign nationals waving flag of their nation, attacking citizens and being in country without permission. Smells like invasion But is not. Invasions are military offensives involving combatants of a geopolitical entity [1]. If this is an invasion, every rally in which a Confederate flag is waived is a rebellion. Also, § 4 concludes with "and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislat…

> domestic Violence.

but people who are in country illegally are not domestic.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by shard972 »

spencerflem wrote: post #371
msgodel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>lacks values I really hated when Fox news would say things like this and I hate it when individuals do. It makes it impossible for us to communicate. Just because the other side doesn't share your values doesn't mean they have none. You might say their values are evil. That's a different discussion, but they're rarely just reacting blindly.

I say their values are evil. They are bad people. It makes me feel sick as a programmer knowing how many people on this board that values "hacker" anti authoritarianism and curiosity would have the government send the military to shoot their own citizens

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ta1243 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves in any case

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ta1243 wrote: post #379
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves in any case

> Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves

None of this is legally established.

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