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Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by poulsbohemian »

lucasoshiro wrote: post #349
poulsbohemian wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think perhaps you are overestimating the computing needs of the majority of the population. Get one of the iPad cases with a keyboard and an iPad is in many ways a better laptop.

I have an iPad and really like it, but no, it is not. Several small things combined make it really different to the experience that I have with a desktop OS. But it is nice as side device

I'm guessing you are coming at it from the perspective of a laptop user and likely a power user. The majority of the population just needs to scroll social media, message some friends, send an email or two, do a little shopping, maybe write a document or two. For this crowd an iPad is plenty. When I was a software developer - yeah, I had a Mac Pro on my desk and a MBP I carried when I traveled. Now as a real estate agent, an iPad is plenty for when I'm on the go.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by sarlalian »

enceladus06 wrote: post #193
paxys wrote: post #28

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It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

WSL throughput is not enough for file intensive operations. It is much easier and straightforward to just delete windows and use Linux.

Unless you need to have a working video or audio config as well.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by sarlalian »

bandoti wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #28

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It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

What about macOS being derived from BSD? Isn’t that where containers came from: BSD jails? I know the container ecosystem largely targets Linux just curious what people’s thoughts are on that.

Another really good read about containers, jails and zones.

https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/containers-zones-jails-vms/

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Post by poulsbohemian »

nottorp wrote: post #290
poulsbohemian wrote: post #141

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I think perhaps you are overestimating the computing needs of the majority of the population. Get one of the iPad cases with a keyboard and an iPad is in many ways a better laptop.

But the majority won't pay extra for an ipad and a keyboard, when they can pay less for an air with everything included...

I'm not sure - I just looked casually at some options and it appears one can find an iPad between $700-$900 for a pretty solid model, which includes the $250 folio keyboard. The base model MBA starts at $999. So depends on whether you want a traditional laptop or a "computing device."

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by csomar »

NewJazz wrote: post #159
pxc wrote: post #137

I hoped for a moment that "Containerization Framework" meant that macOS itself would be getting containers. Running Linux containers and VMs on macOS via virtualization is already pretty easy and has many good options. If you're willing to use proprietary applications to do this, OrbStack is the slickest, but Lima/Colima is fine, and Podman Desktop and Rancher Desktop work well, too. The thing macOS really painfully…

What would these be useful for?

ie: You want to build a binary for macOS from your Linux machine. Right now, it is possible but you still need a macOS license and to go through hoops. If you were able to containerize macOS, then you create a container and then compile your program inside it.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by vouaobrasil »

reaperducer wrote: post #353
vouaobrasil wrote: post #325

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I have a limited connection, and don't want to update my computer with AI garbage.

So don't. You have to tell the computer to download Apple Intelligence. It doesn't just happen on its own. Just don't push the Yes button when it offers.

Well, I thought it came with the OS update, so I guess I was mistaken then.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by jamesy0ung »

SlowTao wrote: post #225
bearjaws wrote: post #213

All this focus on low power gaming makes me think Apple wants to get in on the Steam Deck hype.

Apple is in a reasonably good place to make gaming work for them. Their hardware across the board is fairly powerful (definetly not top end), they have a good API stack especially with Metal. And they have systems at all levels including TV. If they were to just make a standard controller or just say "PS5 dualshock is our choice" they could have a nice little slice for themselves.

Just let me have JIT! My jailbroken iPad Pro can emulate Wii at 4k without getting warm. Unfortunately you have to hack around enabling JIT on newer ios releases.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by nixosbestos »

csomar wrote: post #375
NewJazz wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would these be useful for?

ie: You want to build a binary for macOS from your Linux machine. Right now, it is possible but you still need a macOS license and to go through hoops. If you were able to containerize macOS, then you create a container and then compile your program inside it.

No, that's not at all how that would work. You're not building a macOS binary natively under a Linux kernel.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

Klonoar wrote: post #301
pjmlp wrote: post #254

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There is probably going to be a session later this week, the reference seemed to imply they are integrating Swift into Webkit project for new development.

Interesting, I wonder if that pushes Swift on Linux further given other projects (webkitgtk etc).

Most likely not, for Apple what matters for Swift on Linux, is being a good server language for app developers that want to share code between app and server, with Apple no longer caring to sell macOS for servers.

Everything else they would rather see devs stay on their platforms, see the official tier 1 scenarios on swift.org.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

jeberle wrote: post #347
pjmlp wrote: post #203

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With a whole generation forgetting they came first in big iron UNIX like HP-UX.

Interesting. My experience w/ HP-UX was in the 90s, but this (Integrity Virtual Machines) was released in 2005. I might call out FreeBSD Jails (2000) or Solaris Zones (2005) as an earlier and a more significant case respectively. I appreciate the insight, though, never knew about HP-UX. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Integrity_Virtual_Machines

HP-UX Vault, released with HP-UX 10.24, in 1996,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX

What you searched for is an evolution of it.

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