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Re: Being fat is a trap

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A modern diet is a restrictive diet. We live in a time when half of our produced food is thrown away. That's why veganism makes so much sense nowadays. Nothing about the modern diet is "natural" for most people. Meat was awesome when calories were sparse/intermittent. Now it's just excess for the sake of a status symbol. Same can be said about a lot of our foods.

How does veganism help in this case? The problem is not meat, the problem is junk food, high sugar and carbs. If by "veganism", you simply mean healthy diet, then I agree.

Think of it this way: Meat is a junk food. It's a calorie bomb that lacks essential macronutrients, fiber being a key one. Without managing your intake it leads to health problems. It can be addictive("But meat is soooo delicious I could never give it up"). It's not necessary for your survival; it is optional in 2025.

Sure sounds like a junk food.

Then there is the long list of benefits of giving up meat. Not just for you but the environment, which means it benefits every living creature on the planet.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #216

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A modern diet is a restrictive diet. We live in a time when half of our produced food is thrown away. That's why veganism makes so much sense nowadays. Nothing about the modern diet is "natural" for most people. Meat was awesome when calories were sparse/intermittent. Now it's just excess for the sake of a status symbol. Same can be said about a lot of our foods.

>We live in a time when half of our produced food is thrown away. I don't see how this is a relevant fact. If we threw away 10x the food does that make our diet even more unhealthy? Moreover if technological innovations like refrigeration decreases food waste, does that magically make our diet healthy again? >That's why veganism makes so much sense nowadays. Nothing about the modern diet is "natural" for most people.…

>If you turn back the clock even more (ie. pre-agriculture), you'd probably see the reverse (ie. more meat consumption).

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Or really your entire reply doesn't make much sense.

Pre-agriculture people starved on a regular basis. Calories were scarce in general which is why meat was important. It was a calorie and nutrient bomb when those were irregular/hard to come by.

And even then their diets were primarily plant based, think about 80%. Analysis of human scat remains has repeatedly confirmed that ancient diets were primarily plant based. Most of this research comes from academia in countries not obsessed with beef(not the US).

Modern misinformation directly contradicts fact in this area and much of it is driven by cattle/dairy industries and bro-science marketing that the carnivore diet makes ya stronk/patriotic/manly. In reality, the meat heavy western diet is associated with a long list of preventable diseases and ailments. Gotta love heart attacks at 40 yrs old cuz of these beef heavy diets.

Which is easier(and burns less calories) to harvest: an animal you have to spend hours tracking/killing/processing or stationary plants you can forage throughout the day? Remember, they didn't have guns, vehicles, etc. This was spears and running in the elements.

>I don't see how this is a relevant fact.

Meat was great when calories and nutrients were scarce. Nobody is denying that. However, we live in 2025, not 10000BC, which means calories and nutrients are so abundant to the point we throw away half of what we produce. This means the benefit of meat is no longer a benefit.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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100% agree that people should cook more. But your example of roast chicken in under an hour is misleading since it doesnt include the time to go grocery shopping or to clean up. Add those in and your roast chicken dinner is probably taking up at least 2 hours.

You take one hour a week to go grocery shopping and then you have everything you need to stay alive for that week. Then another two hours on the weekend to cook everything and clean. It’s really a non-negotiable activity that’s essential for life. The mental gymnastics people use to justify their bad habits is really shocking.

erm, where i have been living for the past 15-20 years, each large grocery run takes at least 3-4 hours. 1-2 of which are simply the time to get to the supermarket and back. and then one hour to top up every other day, mostly fresh vegetables. so in a week, shopping takes me 6 to 8 hours.

and i have no idea how i am supposed to be cooking for a whole week in two hours unless i eat the same thing every day. that doesn't sound desirable at all

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