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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Given the use in conflict zones and the prevalence of military bloggers from all sides, Telegram is already one of the most surveilled apps out there. Grok relaying your queries to certain agencies won't add much, but it will be interesting to see what bias Grok will exhibit on Telegram.

I imagine Telegram-based training data will bias Grok to reflect Musk's own views more reliably than any other platform out there.

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He is the CEO of a corporation. Let's assume Pavel and Elon had a phone call and agreed on the deal. One of them or both are entitled to announce it. Pavel Durov announced multiple deals before on his tg channel. Now it is surprising turn of events, it seems they didn't work out details to the degree implied, but calling it lying is a far stretch.

> Let's assume Pavel and Elon had a phone call and agreed on the deal. One of them or both are entitled to announce it. Lol, because it was Elon himself who called out Durov's original tweet with his "no deal has been signed" response. So obviously the agreement was not agreed upon yet. Ironically this sounds just like Elon's infamous "funding secured" tweet. I'm tired of all these bullshitting bullshitters, and then…

Obviously one of them though they had an agreement and other didn't.

Or maybe Elon is backpedaling after being hand-slapped by US of A administration for dealing with what they potentially consider to be unfriendly social media network.

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Reference to: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro (xAI bought Twitter) * https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk... (Tesla bought solarcity) Effectively, of course, Twitter and Solarcity went bankrupt. That's what really happened. I hope the CxO's at companies realize this, and so realize that Musk's big plan for Twitter ("just fire everyone, keep collecting the income") had a slight…

It wasn't about revenue, it was about a massive propaganda and surveillance apparatus.

Is that why he, and his entire management staff, were seen begging for advertisers to return ... how many times now? 5? Not sure.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-begs-advertisers-re...

Clearly it was about revenue, at least to an extent.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Reference to: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro (xAI bought Twitter) * https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk... (Tesla bought solarcity) Effectively, of course, Twitter and Solarcity went bankrupt. That's what really happened. I hope the CxO's at companies realize this, and so realize that Musk's big plan for Twitter ("just fire everyone, keep collecting the income") had a slight…

It wasn't about revenue, it was about a massive propaganda and surveillance apparatus.

It was about very stupidly thinking that selling subscriptions to Twitter would be more profitable than selling ads

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What's not to understand? Enormous amounts of money have accrued to a tiny proportion of humanity in the past 30 or so years. There is no way there wouldn't be tons of waste when spending decisions are made by so few people. Now add in the fact that these decision makers are often openly avaricious egomaniacs who don't even make symbolic efforts help the poor and vulnerable, that narrows the scope of their spending t…

> Enormous amounts of money have accrued to a tiny proportion of humanity in the past 30 or so years. 30 or so? So Reagan and Bush I somehow get a pass? It's literally still the same people and their stupid children.

Reaganism set the wheels in motion but those wheels didn't actually come off until events like the dotcom boom normalized billion dollar valuations for half baked MVPs, creating a generation of future nutters like Thiel, Bezos, Zuck and Musk. Things accelerated even further with zero interest rate policy post-2008, making capital free for this "job creator" class while working people were charged "market rates" for home and education loans.

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I thought that. Then, I remembered PayPal straight up paying people to use their platform. We saw how that worked out. So, the question is whether they should pay to generate demand in a new market. Then, who to pay and how much? I'll also note that OpenAI took the market by offering an expensive service for free (ChatGPT). Then, they offered a monthly plan that may or may not have been profitable. One could argue th…

How do you PayPal straight up paying people to use their platform worked out?

It's market cap was recently $69.51 billion. I'll add the eBay partnership to the reasons for its long-term success.

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Telegram dont have E2EE by default. It's all you need to know. 99% of communications on Telegram are in plain text. Also Telegram banned or shadowbanned serveral protest channels / bots during elections and when war began.

Many Telegram groups are only Play Store banned or banned access is restricted based on the user's phone number. This is why you must install the APK from their website directly instead of using an App Store version.

This have nothing to do with Apple. One of largest anti-war public channels in Russia by relatives of mobilized people was marked as "FAKE" for a very long time by Durov's personal decision.

Durov serves kremlin as much as any other company that operates in Russia.

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It's like Google paying Apple. Doesn't mean Google is bad, just means it needs the traffic and Apple has the reach.

Google pays a rev share on the return it gets from the deal. This isn't pay and cross your fingers child's play here. Google makes most of the money for search transactions that click ads and the distributor, Apple, makes a small fraction of that for providing the search access points. Where's xAI's lucrative return here? Where's their 80:20 split?

Eye balls, DAU and SuperGrok subscription. Also, data. It's a smart move. Also helps to get integration between X and Telegram.
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