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Post by andrewblossom »

SamBam wrote: post #130
0_____0 wrote: post #57

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I was in New Zealand a couple of months ago and today something crystallized about my experience there - I consistently encountered people who were good at their jobs there. They've got a shortage of people in the trades, but their tradies seemed highly professional and efficient, the folks at the bike shops were on point, the airport staff were quick to help and super informative (gate attendant explained visibility…

I think that observation stands in the US too -- there are certain professions where you're more likely to find someone who cares. You mentioned bike shops. At least in my area (New England) every person I've ever seen working in a bike shop was competent and cared about working in a bike shop. (They weren't necessarily the nicest and most personable people, but that's a different story.) Who works in a bike shop? Al…

These are usually individual, passion-driven jobs. Others that come to mind include local outdoor outfitters, musical instrument makers, clock repairers, craftspeople (like textile artists, quilters, and jewelers), artisanal food producers, and coaches.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #186
thewebguyd wrote: post #172

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> I think pride in work has declined a lot (at least in the US) because so many large employers have shown that they aren't even willing to pretend to care about their employees. It's difficult to take pride in work done for an employee that you aren't proud of, or actively dislike. I agree that I think this is a big chunk of it. There's no loyalty on either side, and it's not rewarded if there is. Doing good work is…

“ There's no loyalty on either side, and it's not rewarded if there is” Loyalty actually gets punished. The only way to get a decent raise is to change companies. Your car insurance will keep going up until you change companies. With cable the best deals are available only for new customers and existing customers see their cost go up. It seems companies hate their employees and customers

> It seems companies hate their employees and customers

They do! Imagine the profits if they could keep making the same money without the customers or employees! Those pesky humans really get in the way of maximizing the profit

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Post by whogaf »

WalterBright wrote: post #217
ewhanley wrote: post #181

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This is only an example of people being bad at their jobs or not caring if you are referring to the management/administration responsible for staffing and scheduling over that time period. The people who are actually out of the office are presumably using approved PTO.

Sure. LOL.

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Post by ncr100 »

mdavid626 wrote: post #352

Brace yourself — it’ll get only worse. The geene is out of the bottle and not possible to put it back. Software engineering will become everything, but engineering. I consider myself as someone who cares and takes pride in creating software. I barely can take working in the industry anymore… It’s time to become a goose farmer.

In my opinion:

It comes down to values, of the people that you are working with, and of the market in which your groups people is operating.

If you can dial those things in to match your own proclivities about how you like to be treated, then you're golden.

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1dom wrote: post #149

I read the title and it triggered something I've been thinking a lot lately: there's too much for everyone to care about right now. Article didn't really touch on it directly, but: > something that sounded like every other thing: some dude talking to some other dude about apps that some third dude would half-listen-to at 2x speed while texting a fourth dude about plans for later. It's not that the dudes don't care, i…

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Post by quantadev »

I think the "Who Cares Era" (great name btw) is able to continue down this path because really the entire business purpose nowadays for any online content is simply AD Delivery.

If the website can successfully prove to the advertisers that some human likely did indeed view the ADs then it's "mission accomplished". It matters very little what the content contains, as long as the AD revenue stream (the only revenue stream for most online sites) keeps rolling in. So really the only text to get right is the "Clickbait Titles" and "Clickbait Imagery".

So the longer canonical form of our Era is "Who Cares, We Made Some Money...Era"

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Post by ncr100 »

joshstrange wrote: post #12

I've got bad news, people didn't care far before AI, this is not new at all. Even when work is 100% done by people I regularly see output that shows no one cared.

Well it's just news news. More like, survival. I think that's kind of what it boils down to.

Humans can only mentally handle so much. In this era of humanity, we are overloaded on many dimensions. Therefore we should expect the byproduct and blow back from being overloaded.

It's like trying to teach a toddler how to manage a non-profit organization of 100 people. Is not going to go well.

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

gilbetron wrote: post #347

The future is gone. I'm in my 50s, and for nearly all of that time I thought, dreamt, and worked towards a future that I read about, researched, talked to others about, and consumed media about. But over the past several years I realize it is gone. I thought maybe it was just my age, but it seems like the world is doing the same, so maybe not my age. Another thread mentions that no one talks about "life in the 22nd c…

Oh there is very much a future being planned. Project 2025 is an example. When the future was flying cars and a robot maid for every household, then of course it was broadcast in every possible medium. The planned future now is replacing the poor with robots and slavery for anyone still alive. Funnily enough they don’t talk about it, and pretend it’s not real if you hear about it.

I think your point is that a vibrant future vision is necessary to inform the present. It gives us a measure for peoples and corporations behavior. Don’t be fooled that this is an accident. “Who cares” is propaganda for a very different future.

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Post by neilv »

buangakun wrote: post #74

Oh man, I gotta write a comment here. I'm gonna leave out a few details in case this guy or my tech lead/manager read HN. So, I am senior software engineer, got hired into this company. I was tasked by my manager/tech lead to work with another senior software engineer. Overtime I realized that this engineer did not have the proper background in this field. I asked him and I asked my tech lead, and confirmed he did no…

> and go Leetcode.

I wonder whether, by refusing to Leetcode as an IC, if you weed-out proportionally more companies of careerist people just going through the motions.

(Compared to companies of people who care about what they're doing, not just about jumping through hoops and receiving money.)

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Post by layer8 »

WalterBright wrote: post #280
layer8 wrote: post #226

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Why not? You’re still profitable, just with mediocre stuff.

Your competitors will eat your lunch.

I don’t see that happening in practice, because the competitors are focusing on the short term as well. Another reason is that it is easy to deceive customers about the relative qualities of a product as long as it is cheaper than the competition. So it’s rather the short-termists that are driving a race to the bottom (or at least to mediocrity).
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