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The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by r2_pilot »

em-bee wrote: post #160
ivape wrote: post #125

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I don’t think anything is weird anymore. The ultimate reality of free will is that you will always have the option to do right and wrong. If you don’t have faith, this privilege will be difficult. The human left to their own devices will always have a shifting sense of morality (turning a ship by 1 degree at a time). Faith was a gift to help. In terms of Christ, let me put it this way. Imagine your high school, and o…

free will is one big reason why god would not reveal himself in a universal fashion. free will includes the freedom to reject god. if god were to reveal himself openly then the freedom to reject him would not exist. we would not have a choice but to believe.

>free will is one big reason why god would not reveal himself in a universal fashion.

Much like how religion posits a soul, you are positing free will despise observing that rocks always fall in accordance with the laws of physics and we have yet to determine any normal way of altering the course of chemistry one jot or tiddle(in fact we build our edifices on these observations, so confident are we). You yourself suggest that the input of "revealed God" removes human free will to disbelieve. In other words, God can't(or didn't for whatever reason) create a human that can experience God without disbelief. Anyway long and short of it, just because you believe in free will doesn't mean it exists, either in your belief structure or in actuality, and Calvinists reject your hypothesis outright.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by Henchman21 »

xeonmc wrote: post #262
vintermann wrote: post #238

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Come back and reign for a thousand years, but not touch private contact law and definitively let you keep and enjoy the fruits of the money you bet on him. Yeah, I won't rule out that they exist, but I think there are far better ways of "betting on Jesus" according to most denominations. I think price fluctuations in a market like this is more down to people betting on a bigger fool coming along, or otherwise convinc…

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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by tboyd47 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #236
tboyd47 wrote: post #147

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If not "the majority", then a proportion conceivably large enough to affect the polymarket results.

Isn't that subset of the population also very likely to believe that gambling is haram?

Touche

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by tboyd47 »

username332211 wrote: post #283
IncreasePosts wrote: post #236

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Isn't that subset of the population also very likely to believe that gambling is haram?

Isn't the entire field of Islamic finance legal (moral?) loopholes that turn the haram into halal?

No.

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Post by hinkley »

blendergeek wrote: post #21

This article fails to address that most true believers would not see any point to betting on the yes. If Christ returns this year, the world is done and there is no upside to having bet that he would. Temporal things (like prediction markets) will cease to be interesting when Christ returns. Given that, I highly doubt that the people betting yes actually believe that Christ will return this year.

God forbid you become rich at the last possible moment and then damn yourself for eternity in the process.

Doesn’t the Bible frown on gambling anyway?

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Post by hinkley »

vintermann wrote: post #238
paulryanrogers wrote: post #34

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Come back and reign for a thousand years, but not touch private contact law and definitively let you keep and enjoy the fruits of the money you bet on him. Yeah, I won't rule out that they exist, but I think there are far better ways of "betting on Jesus" according to most denominations. I think price fluctuations in a market like this is more down to people betting on a bigger fool coming along, or otherwise convinc…

John Goodman’s character in O Brother was a man who realized selling bibles was a lucrative business. He was a con man.

I think you’re on the right track. It’s not the betters but the bookie who you need to look askance at here.

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Post by leptons »

ivape wrote: post #47
paulryanrogers wrote: post #34

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Keep in mind true believers often learn to live with a massive cognitive dissonance This is quite true. Taking away just the moral teachings is not true belief. Revelations is serious business stuff, the apostles watched Christ ascend from Mount Olive, it’s extremely trippy things. True believers are literally believing in wild shit. In fact, if you are true believer, you almost need to keep it hidden because it’s go…

I like Feynman's take that "I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in the mysterious universe without having any purpose which is the way it really is as far as I can tell"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1RqTP5Unr4

The true believers in Christianity have to know, their world view is hinged on knowing that there is a god, that the world was created in 7 days, and that the earth is only 6,000 years old, among many other questionable religious beliefs. They're wrong about all of it (IMHO as someone who grew up Catholic), but at least in their own minds, they know. And that's good enough for them, they don't have to ask any more questions because a book written by kings told them so.

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Post by hinkley »

MisterTea wrote: post #261
vintermann wrote: post #238

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Come back and reign for a thousand years, but not touch private contact law and definitively let you keep and enjoy the fruits of the money you bet on him. Yeah, I won't rule out that they exist, but I think there are far better ways of "betting on Jesus" according to most denominations. I think price fluctuations in a market like this is more down to people betting on a bigger fool coming along, or otherwise convinc…

> Yeah, I won't rule out that they exist, Word of Faith/Prosperity churches - God is a genie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

Classically, the Devil follows the djinn trope. It’s weird that Jesus is slowly being cast into that same role.
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