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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Absolutely no one gave Apple a pass for the butterfly keyboard. You can look back at Jason Snell’s “Apple report card” where he sends surveys to 40+ people in the Apple punditry ecosystem during those years and Apple was derided by everyone. No one gave Apple a pass for on device scanning or the piss poor Johnny Ive inspired thin laptops that removed ports and that over heated during the latter x86 days. Everyone was…

Yet it is. People like you insisted "it's not that bad yet" at every step of the awkward path; but you're still unable to admit Apple fully walked back their bad decisions. They deliberately built a business dependent on anti-competitive abuse and a halo effect solicited through propaganda. They repeatedly manufactured cover for their misdeeds because they knew they were wrong . And now they've been caught in the act…

What do you mean I can’t admit they walked backed there bad decision? I explicitly said they walked back their Johnnie Ive designed laptops during the final generation x86 laptops.

Their business is not built on the App Store. People looked at Android at least in the US and 70% of them avoid it like the plague. Before that, people decided they like the iPod even though it had “less space than the Nomad and no wireless”.

And anyone who voted for this knew exactly what they were getting. Trump was in office for four years prior and “rural America” who depends on Medicaid, the Muslims who refused to support Kamala because they thought Trump would be better for Palestine, the poor and working class who are going to be hurt by increased prices and other policies, red states that depend on government support more than blue states, businesses abs farmers who supported him and even the unions that he is now trying to kill all are demographics that voted for him and supported him. Now they are in the “find out” part of FAFO. I have no sympathy for them.

The halo effect wasn’t because of “propaganda”. Poor little Google, Microsoft and Intel couldn’t compete with a company that was almost bankrupt a little over 29 years ago and was still small in 2007.

If non Christian Germans were dumb enough to vote for the Nazi party (they weren’t), I would have said the same thing. This country deserves exactly what’s happening to it because of its own poor choices. I’m not saying this out of pride and happiness.

I’m sad about it. But this is always “who we have been” despite what Michelle Obama says. We’ve been since Columbus, through slavery, through Jim Crow (that my still living parents grew up in) and now.

Trump was fairly elected. I’m not “apathetic”. What is in my control is that my wife and I have been seriously talking about establishing residency in Costa Rica upon retirement. We are going back next year to talk to a real estate agent to see about getting a place there. We might rent or we might buy. If this is the country that Americans want, Americans can have it. I’m not saying I’m leaving tomorrow. But we are investigating, I’m working on getting to be a better Spanish speaker and my wife is learning.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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$3500 doesn't matter at all for developers. It matters for users. If there are a billion users, devs will pay $3500 for access no problem. But you can't get a billion users for a $3500 product unless it's at least as useful as a car.

This is the best way to sum it up. The diehard Apple fans still defend it, with handwaved promises that the future will bring a cheaper one, but in this economy I don't think Apple can do it. The price people will bear is proportional to the current usefulness, and the usefulness is proportional to third-party dev interest. The irony is that of all companies, Apple would be the most capable financially of loss-leader…

> Apple would be the most capable financially of loss-leadering it into existence with their cash hoard, but they're so stingy that the idea of a loss leader offends them to the core.

Or they tried that, saw it's a tiny garbage market segment attended solely by photographer types who enjoy spending $10k to complain of being unsatisfied and a few others far less savory, and sensibly exited. Just like they explored FSD in concept and said no thanks, this will never work, let the morons throw their bad money after our good.

I don't know why it surprises people that a cash-rich, culturally insular company, with the world's premier brand in affordable luxury technology of genuine quality, should behave in accord with its own precepts rather than theirs. I've always found it more useful to learn about what I see in front of me, than distract my eyes with some fantasy of my own preference, and remain a fool. (For example, Apple is dogshit at wearables, always has been, always will be. You wear one because everyone wears one, although of course I have better, but they're awful!) But as I think I said nearby, I tried VR already and it sucks. I guess some folks need longer to catch on.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Yet it is. People like you insisted "it's not that bad yet" at every step of the awkward path; but you're still unable to admit Apple fully walked back their bad decisions. They deliberately built a business dependent on anti-competitive abuse and a halo effect solicited through propaganda. They repeatedly manufactured cover for their misdeeds because they knew they were wrong . And now they've been caught in the act…

What do you mean I can’t admit they walked backed there bad decision? I explicitly said they walked back their Johnnie Ive designed laptops during the final generation x86 laptops. Their business is not built on the App Store. People looked at Android at least in the US and 70% of them avoid it like the plague. Before that, people decided they like the iPod even though it had “less space than the Nomad and no wireles…

I encourage you to accelerate your plans.

I have a friend who was working on his Italian citizenship and it got shut down. He found another path through his significant other, and the [official I'm exlcuding] literally said to come back after we resolves the trump problem.

The world is not going to absorb the exodus of Americans who just want to walk away.

But I totally get it. So like I said, get moving quickly if you're serious.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Only 100 days on and we celebrate open crony capitalism as a smart business decision.

It is a smart business decision. Don’t blame Apple for operating within the environment that the US voters voted for. The US knew exactly what it was getting - said as American citizen.

but I do actually believe that corporations taking part in and profiting from corruption/etc are just as much to blame as the governments that let it happen, as are the people/voters

unless you somehow think that corruption is morally neutral and only "bad" because there's laws against it?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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It is a smart business decision. Don’t blame Apple for operating within the environment that the US voters voted for. The US knew exactly what it was getting - said as American citizen.

but I do actually believe that corporations taking part in and profiting from corruption/etc are just as much to blame as the governments that let it happen, as are the people/voters unless you somehow think that corruption is morally neutral and only "bad" because there's laws against it?

Who do you think would have ended up paying the 145% tarriffs - Apple and Android phone sellers or consumers?

This is all on US voters.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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What do you mean I can’t admit they walked backed there bad decision? I explicitly said they walked back their Johnnie Ive designed laptops during the final generation x86 laptops. Their business is not built on the App Store. People looked at Android at least in the US and 70% of them avoid it like the plague. Before that, people decided they like the iPod even though it had “less space than the Nomad and no wireles…

I encourage you to accelerate your plans. I have a friend who was working on his Italian citizenship and it got shut down. He found another path through his significant other, and the [official I'm exlcuding] literally said to come back after we resolves the trump problem. The world is not going to absorb the exodus of Americans who just want to walk away. But I totally get it. So like I said, get moving quickly if y…

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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

but I do actually believe that corporations taking part in and profiting from corruption/etc are just as much to blame as the governments that let it happen, as are the people/voters unless you somehow think that corruption is morally neutral and only "bad" because there's laws against it?

Who do you think would have ended up paying the 145% tarriffs - Apple and Android phone sellers or consumers? This is all on US voters.

Okay, sure. And while I understand and share your frustrations with the outcome of recent US elections, democracy is a bad proxy for morality, or to put it bluntly: If 9 out of 10 people voted for gang rape, it's still wrong for a multi national corporation to take advantage of that.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Link to the court doc: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36... > The testimony of Mr. Roman, Vice President of Finance, was replete with misdirection and outright lies. He even went so far as to testify that Apple did not look at comparables to estimate the costs of alternative payment solutions that developers would need to procure to facilitate linked-out purchases. (May 2024 Tr. 266:22–267:…

> So was Roman incompetent or just kissing ass hoping to become the President of Finance Why do you think Apple sent the Vice President to such a high visibility trial and not the President, who is the person with the ultimate authority and accountability in Finance? In any large enough organization (and I haven't stumbled on one where this wasn't the case), private or public, the people at the top are shielded by a…

Could you please provide any proof for: “if you look at any large company’s CEO, they’re there because they took these hits or provided plausible deniability for jig boss in the past”. Never thought from this angle, interesting theory
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