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Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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That's why I like hacker news.

I found this article yesterday and posted it on reddit android, here : https://old.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1jmwg4w/everyone_k...

0 upvote, comment filled with what is either depressed sad people or just bots.

Here it's top 2... With mostly interesting comment.

Some subreddit are more dead than other but r/android got to be one of the worst.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Perhaps crazy question: is it a good idea to have two phones now? One for making calls only, with as many apps as possible removed. And another phone for email, web surfing, photos, etc...? edit: Oops, I left out texting. Which phone for that?

You still make calls with your phone?

Of course, amazingly that's one of it's best features, enabling you to actually speak to a real person. (it's a type of personal connection that fleshy robots have, for some reason, derided.)

But I digress, excusing your bad form of answering a question with a question, I am interested in your opinion of the possible conundrum of the two phone idea.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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> I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. In cases where a native app and web app are both available on iOS, there’s often a huge difference in battery usage and sluggishness. Also, as a sibling poster mentioned, I like having fully “offline” apps as well, for example for maps and notes. I’m not saying that I l…

> In cases where a native app and web app are both available on iOS, there’s often a huge difference in battery usage and sluggishness. Yeah, like single native instagram draining battery faster than combination of multiple websites that I visit in Safari. > For the same reason I won’t replace my real computer with a Chromebook for the foreseeable future. > real computer Where most of the modern applications are eith…

I’m still bitter about Apple backing off their stance against using web tech in apps. Most apps that are really bad, are really bad because they’re just wrapping websites.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I get your point partially. All these apps that companies put out in order to collect and manage shopping tokens or to contact their customer service would have been much better as a website. However I still do like to have apps on my devices that just work offline, without distributing my data across services I do not control. And I also do not want to depend on a internet connection, when I am anywhere. I like my o…

It’s totally possible to distribute a webapp that works offline and stores all your data offline too. Platform owners introduce a bunch of restrictions that create reliability and usability concerns, but the standards already exist to enable a website operator to create a webapp that, after the initial ‘install’, runs entirely offline on the user’s device, and has no need to communicate with the website.

It’s not really possible in practice, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43522667.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

Simple, UX. The reality is, most webapps for mobile just suck. The UX is nowhere near that of a native application. I don't want any text to be selectable. I don't want pull to refresh on every page. I don't want the left-swipe to take me to the previous page. You can probably find workarounds for all these issues. The new Silk library ( https://silkhq.co/ ) is the first case I've seen that get's very close to a nati…

Nothing prevents fhe same UI being available in web though.

Iconic mirrors a lot of it, but Apple/google could have just as easily made them native components triggered in the browser

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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XPrivactLua and other XposedMod/Magisk extensions break open the app sandbox. It is better to restrict running those on usereng/eng builds (test devices). For prod builds (user devices), I'd recommend using Work Profiles (GrapheneOS supports upto 31 in parallel) or Private Spaces (on Android 15+) to truly isolate apps from one another.

I'm on Android 14 and I've been pretty happy with an app called Insular on F-Droid or Island on the Play Store. It let's you install as many instances of an app as you'd like and they'll show up in the work profile, ignorant of the others' existence.

it's a frontend to work profiles feature.

not recommended to run insular anymore. use Shelter for a14

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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That is what the fingerprinting is for.

Fingerprinting is just for identifying user, not getting user data. You can potentially resell things like app usage to credit rating company.

That is profiling.

Fingerprinting is an identification mechanism. It is most commonly used for targeting and profiling.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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That loophole was published 5 years ago, it hasnt been fixed since. Do you need someone from Google to explicitly write an official note, notarized, indicating they are refusing to fix it?

> refusing to fix it Google addressed similar isolation concerns (without breaking a tonne of APIs in incompatible ways) with Private Space and Work Profile: https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/private-sp...

that proves bad faith.

they keep releasing overly complicated features to sidestep the obvious reported vulnerability, to silence power users and please corporate enterprise sysadms.

the rest of the 99.9 of users keep the vulnerability, which is very profitable for ad networks. wonder why an ad networks who maintains android would do that.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

It’s clearly for data collection. Take the yelp web app for example. It used to be much nicer than the native one. Then, they intentionally defeatured it until it was useless.

Also, this situation benefits the google-apple duopoly, since it means superior products (remember Windows Phone 8?) or privacy focused devices (FirefoxOS) have no chance of getting a foothold in the marketplace.

The objections I see in sibling comments are nonsense. Modern web supports high frame rates, developer control over the UI, etc, etc.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

To me a mobile app is usually just a shorter web app that you can’t zoom on

Edit: and I’ll venture a guess that since mobile apps can’t use things like ad blockers, companies probably prefer them. More control over what you look at.

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