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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by mmooss »

cma wrote: post #367
mmooss wrote: post #362

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> Keep thinking even more carefully I suppose that should be mostly said to the mirror, at least before anyone else. > balance out the response we had That isn't an issue in my comments.

> That isn't an issue in my comments. "seemingly arbitrary state violence is an old, well-established tactic of states" You weren't referring to the subsequent "war on terror," relating the state response to that to the state reponse to this? It was just thrown in unrelated? > But because it was seemingly random, people thought it could happen anywhere. While people everywhere did fear, what was "seemingly random" ab…

Hey - think some more. The curse of certainty is excluding other possibilities.

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Post by defrost »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #129
throwawayk7h wrote: post #100

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I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.

This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense. EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below: The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link: > Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may re…

> The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link:

>> Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may request that the gender in their ATD appear as X.

No fatalities are required.

Passport applicants are required to be factually accurate about their identity and how they identify.

Perhaps you might think on that a little.

There is also the very real cases of people that have applied for and hold Australian passports that were born neither [M] nor [F] by any clear apriori definition.

Hence the applications for change, the court cases and the Federal ruling.

There's no real wriggle room wrt the edges cases of 25 million births, not all births fall into the neat buckets of ideal preconceived notions. Empirical observation begs to differ.

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Post by fastball »

eqvinox wrote: post #350
fastball wrote: post #345

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No, you can't put words in his mouth. He said Adderall, not ADHD. Yes he said SSRIs, but SSRIs are not for ADHD, so that has no bearing on whether or not he said "people with ADHD should be sent to camps", which he just... did not say. This shouldn't need to be stated, but I personally think RFK Jr. is a nutter. That doesn't mean you can stick words in his mouth or imply things he didn't actually say. Be better than…

That's all nice and well, but he also did say "psychiatric drugs", as if those were somehow generally bad and appropriate to reference in the same breath as illegal drugs. Maybe, had he not said that bit as well, I'd agree with you. He could be talking about Adderall purely in a sense of misuse. But he included psychiatric drugs, and that (and the SSRIs) makes his statement ambiguous enough that I'm comfortable inter…

It doesn't matter what he even believes. You can't stick words in his mouth. He has not "said that he will send those with ADHD to camps".

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Post by none_to_remain »

q3k wrote: post #300
_2d30 wrote: post #91

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I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I a…

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. The purpose of a system is what it does.

The purpose of that meme is to annoy me with its inanity

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by user3939382 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #355
user3939382 wrote: post #346

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He won every single swing state. Under his leadership his party got the house and the senate. You’re in denial picking an arbitrary metric that doesn’t reflect how elections are won.

It was neither a popular nor an electoral landslide (it was a below-average electoral margin for a US presidential election, the 17th narrowest of 60 elections). Yes, the party won a trifecta, but that's a completely separate thing from a landslide.

> won every single swing state

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by cmurf »

hayst4ck wrote: post #256
bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

This is an administration that openly is talking about annexing Canada, as well as invading panama and Greenland. It's an administration that has literally said "we want government workers in trauma." Historians are actively comparing us to Nazi Germany. https://snyder.substack.com/p/what-to-expect-when-youre-expe... The holocaust started as a deportation effort. Trump reportedly said "I wish I had Hitler's generals.…

In the 1965 book Night of Camp David the president's cabinet realized he was insane because of his fixation on annexing Canada.

In 2025 Americans are so anesthetized even the "opposition party" can't say the obvious out loud in public. Let alone the president's cabinet.

People voting for a dictator isn't equivalent to 3/4 of the legislatures ratifying an amendment to the Constitution. The People have not given consent to set aside the Constitutional order.

If the People want to set aside the Constitution, they must do the hard work of convincing enough people in enough states to do it lawfully. Otherwise it's settled with might makes right.

For all the flaws of the founding fathers they definitely understood power. How it gets consolidated. And how to fragment it. Their advice is polyarchy.

What we're witnessing is autogolpe to establish a CEO-dictator, the consolidation of power. In no universe are Trump, Vance, Musk, Thiel, Yarvin on the right side of history. And they will fail.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by dragonwriter »

cmurf wrote: post #376
hayst4ck wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an administration that openly is talking about annexing Canada, as well as invading panama and Greenland. It's an administration that has literally said "we want government workers in trauma." Historians are actively comparing us to Nazi Germany. https://snyder.substack.com/p/what-to-expect-when-youre-expe... The holocaust started as a deportation effort. Trump reportedly said "I wish I had Hitler's generals.…

In the 1965 book Night of Camp David the president's cabinet realized he was insane because of his fixation on annexing Canada. In 2025 Americans are so anesthetized even the "opposition party" can't say the obvious out loud in public. Let alone the president's cabinet. People voting for a dictator isn't equivalent to 3/4 of the legislatures ratifying an amendment to the Constitution. The People have not given consen…

> If the People want to set aside the Constitution, they must do the hard work of convincing enough people in enough states to do it lawfully.

No, they don't.

They just need to obey a government that ignores its Constitutional bounda.

> Otherwise it's settled with might makes right.

It's always settled that way. Legality isn't a substitute for might makes right, it is, a social mechanism for guiding where the “might” ends up. But if the people—who ultimately, are the muscles of the might—decide not to care about legality, than it doesn't matter any more. Words written on paper are not self enforcing.

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Post by froh »

_2d30 wrote: post #365
froh wrote: post #361

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there was "exemplary" KZ Theresienstadt which was used to pretend these camps were educational facilities, quite successfully so for some period of time.

Fascinating. Never heard of it. What did you think about the source I linked to?

the source is good, the book it reviews is abysmal. spreading it, publishing it and writing it constitute crimes according to German penal code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung

this legislation is a consequence of the paradox of tolerance.

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Post by eqvinox »

sharpshadow wrote: post #368
eqvinox wrote: post #313

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> Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, Did you forget (or not hear) the Magdeburg x-mas market car attacker was an AfD supporter and antiislamic? And the Mannheim one was a German gardener with "Reichsbürger" connections? It doesn't quite make for snappy headlines, so a lot of people never hear these details…

The Madgeburg terrorist is a Saudi Arabic refugee which dislikes the Islam and not really an AfD supporter, but mentioned that he liked some position regarding the Islam critique the party has. The Mannheim terrorist is indeed a German but I guess that the exception confirms the rule. Overall all extrem attacks if from right, left, foreigners are an issue and need to be adressed accordingly. The problem which the Ger…

You call someone who has lived in Germany for 18 years a refugee, and dismiss his AfD sympathies. That says nothing about him and everything about you really.

Try to look a little bit beyond your polarized bubble. I'll be happy to meet you halfway there.

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Post by _t9ow »

eqvinox wrote: post #344
clarionbell wrote: post #202

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Unless you make a mistake of bringing cannabis.

Or being gay in Singapore. Wait, holy shit, it was legalized in 2022. Didn't know. Nice!

The law -- a relic from British colonialisation -- criminalising homosexuality between men (not women, by the way) was never enforced anyway.
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