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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by rayiner »

freehorse wrote: post #41
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to high…

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

It's really a way for her to externalize the responsibility to blow the whistle on the injustice she sees, enables, and takes part in: In the mind of that nurse, God is in control, so she doesn't have to feel guilty that she's complicit in illegal activities because it must all somehow be part of God's masterful, inscrutable, but absolutely, by definition "good" plan.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by CivBase »

sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

The quotes from this comment suggest the nurse was trying to use her position to evangelize to Mooney, but that's clearly not the case when you read Mooney's full account. The nurse was clearly trying to comfort a person in distress. That's part of a nurse's job. "God brought you here for a reason" is not a line that would comfort me but it was evidently comforting to Mooney by her own account, so I'd say the nurse read the room accurately and did the best she could given the terrible situation and her position in it.

Christianity is a popular religion in Mexico, and most of the people that nurse has dealt with recently are probably facing potential deportation back to Mexico. There isn't much you can say to comfort a person in that situation. Appeals to faith could reasonably be one of the few methods the nurse has to offer comfort. That's certainly better than the nurse being cold and uncaring.

Or maybe I'm just "fucked in the head".

Missing context from Mooney's account:

> I told her I had only recently found God, but that I now believed in God more than anything.

> At the time, I didn’t know what that meant. She asked if she could pray for me. I held her hands and wept. I felt like I had been sent an angel.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by cratermoon »

rayiner wrote: post #350
jakelazaroff wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s basically “drained pool politics”. The threat of extrajudicial imprisonment objectively makes the US a less attractive place for business and will hurt us economically. The current administration simply cares more about resegregating the country and will cut off all our noses to spite our faces.

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> At a certain point the foreigners will turn America into the country they came from.

You say that like it's a bad thing. OH NOES the US will become more democratic and equitable and less racist and hateful

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by 9283409232 »

rayiner wrote: post #165
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

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This administration does not want to reduce illegal immigration. They just want to create fear and headlines. If you wanted to reduce illegal immigration, you have a very easy way of doing it through mandating e-verify.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by instakill »

mdp2021 wrote: post #149
sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

"Servers must be strict in expression and loose on interpretation" (RFCs); "Respond to the best possible interpretation" (guidelines)... That person was apparently trying to be humane, in her own personal way. Possibly ingenuous, probably in good faith and intention.

where is this guideline text from? Want to explore, tx.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by imtringued »

otikik wrote: post #188
twUewhag wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs? (This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

> Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet: https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/ It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

The "immigration crisis" is silently saving the retirement programs of EU countries. People are xenophobic to the point of willingly engaging in self sabotaging their countries.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by whoopdedo »

mdp2021 wrote: post #149
sebstefan wrote: post #47

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

"Servers must be strict in expression and loose on interpretation" (RFCs); "Respond to the best possible interpretation" (guidelines)... That person was apparently trying to be humane, in her own personal way. Possibly ingenuous, probably in good faith and intention.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-thomson-postel-w...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by cratermoon »

MisterTea wrote: post #327
exe34 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression that a lot of school bullies get into law enforcement. they don't have the skills/credentials to do anything else and they have the streak of cruelty that you need to fit in.

I knew a guy in my early 20's, not white, who wanted to be a cop. Once he told me "If I have a bad day, everyone gonna have a bad day." I dont talk to him anymore because he became a cop and turned into a fucking asshole.

ACAB
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