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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by jmb99 »

dns_snek wrote: post #173
vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

> One reason iMessage is less of a total cesspit than SMS is that the ecosystem is closed, and makes automation difficult Really? I'm not in the Apple ecosystem to confirm but it looks trivial to me, and you can always fall back to keyboard/mouse input type of automation. https://airmessage.org/ https://bluebubbles.app/ https://medium.com/@jameskabbes/sending-imessages-with-pytho...

Some anecdata. I get a few dozen spam SMSs in any given month, as well as some spam phone calls (varies a lot by month - sometimes only 1-2, sometimes 20+). I have received a total of 2 spam iMessages (I remember them because they’re notable to exist), and 0 spam FaceTime audio calls, and I’ve had this phone number associated with iMessage since it was first released.

Regardless of the reason, there is substantially (many orders of magnitude) less spam on Apple’s networks, at least for me, when compared to SMS/RCS/telephony.

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Post by amiga386 »

bunabhucan wrote: post #362
SR2Z wrote: post #352

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If Apple had their way, they would LOVE to sell you a $2000 aluminum brick with no screen, speakers, microphone, etc., that still required a proprietary cable to charge.

Now come on, that's not fair. The apple pro display stand is an inert piece of metal with a hinge and some springs and it only costs $999.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MX572ZM/A/apple-mac-pro-w...

A set of four castors. Like the bottom of a shopping trolley. Yours for $699

Tell your friends! "Each castor costs one hundred and seventy five dollars. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to run this computer... for twelve seconds. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha!" (https://youtu.be/jHgZh4GV9G0?t=19)

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Post by Hackbraten »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #140
rickdeckard wrote: post #104

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The question is more, where is that 'force' expected to come from which should make them change their way? Just hopes and prayers?

The issue is, suppose you want a phone with A, B, C, D and E. In a competitive market, there are a hundred phone OEMs providing every combination of those things for various prices with various trade offs etc. In a duopoly, there is one company providing A, another providing B and C, and nobody providing D or E. If you chose the company providing B and C, but you still want A, D and E, what are you supposed to do? Re…

You can switch to a Linux phone running Mobian today. You can barely use it as your daily driver, but that’s what I do. Be the change you want to see in the world.

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Post by jahnu »

jeremyjh wrote: post #330
PokestarFan wrote: post #171

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There should be a "+" button you can click and select any app. The Music app is located in the /Applications folder.

Oh I misread. My problem is on iOS.

Same. Extremely irritating.

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Post by tremon »

ch4s3 wrote: post #125
sunshowers wrote: post #115

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The problem is that this argument happens to conveniently align with Apple's financial interests.

If your value prop to customers is seamless and secure default behavior, then of course blocking insecure peripherals aligns with your financial interests. This doesn't seem nefarious at all to me.

Your argumentation itself is nefarious, because you're implicitly equating third-party with insecure.

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Post by recursive »

dns_snek wrote: post #316
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #289

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I absolutely hate these sorts of nagging popups and I’m happy that a vendor I already have to trust doesn’t pop them up when I acquire a new product and sign it into my Apple account. Imo, if this were to happen, it should happen by allowing devices like the pebble watch to sign into an Apple account and acquire permissions through that process rather than nagging on my phone on pairing.

What are you proposing exactly? What can be simpler than a single Yes/No prompt?

No prompts. No interoperability with non-Apple products or services. Maximum security. Minimum interaction with unwashed masses.

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Post by bloodyplonker22 »

chamanbuga wrote: post #191
vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

This is cap. I worked on heads up glasses, and one of our issues was the lack of integration with Apple's iMessage ecosystem. Device makers are willing to go through several security measures, like deploying the MFi chips and certification. However, at best this gives you access to the notification system, not iMessage itself. You are able to respond to messages via the notification framework, but not integrate direc…

May I suggest using proper English? I believe part of the reason you are getting downvoted is due to the hat language you are using. Several people, understandably, will not comprehend.

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Post by criddell »

madeofpalk wrote: post #274
chamanbuga wrote: post #191

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This is cap. I worked on heads up glasses, and one of our issues was the lack of integration with Apple's iMessage ecosystem. Device makers are willing to go through several security measures, like deploying the MFi chips and certification. However, at best this gives you access to the notification system, not iMessage itself. You are able to respond to messages via the notification framework, but not integrate direc…

What are the limitations of integrating via notifications? That seems like the user-respecting method. For example, I don't use iMessage or SMS, but WhatsApp.

I'm just guessing, but notification suggests you could respond to an incoming message but maybe you can't initiate an outgoing message?

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Post by drewg123 »

mns wrote: post #35

Some of the things mentioned in the post seem to work just fine with Garmin watches. Maybe because Garmin is just bigger they have the resources to implement some of the things (like third party devs publishing various watch apps and faces that are in the Garmin store). Same with notifications, yes, you can't do actions from notifications, but I have notifications "hidden" or whatever that feature is if the phone is…

The notification feature that I miss most from Android+Garmin on iOS+Garmin is the ability filter what apps notifications can go to my watch. Its apparently possible, as Coros seems to have done it.

But after hearing repebble's complaints about not being able to do things that Garmin can do, I almost wonder if different vendors may be given different private api exceptions or something (just guessing, not an ios dev).

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