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Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #362

The problem with Discord is that it doesn't allow for servers in the same way a protocol like IRC does. Some commenters have alluded to this. From a quick glance, revolt.chat doesn't allow for server creation either. Am I mistaken or is this pretty much a joke (Discord replacement with the only real benefit being a 'trust us bro, we're European' sort of promise to not do bad things)?

What you classify as a problem is exactly why Discord was a smashing success.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #352

Pushing what used to occur on web forums into Discord chats has been a net loss for the Internet.

The real loss for the internet is the puritan approach to federation and decentralization. It's either that or app-centric solutions like matrix. Even forums weren't discoverable easily. I'll say this, matrix really has the right idea, it just does too much too fast. An SRV DNS record indicating your matrix server should be enough, then browsers should auto-discover the 'matrix' for the website, and via matrix you can comment on a site, leave reviews, chat with visitors, post forum-style,etc..

But as I mentioned in another comment, what's more important is how easy it is to administer and setup. The experience for site/community owners is the critical factor for adaption.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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So you have the chance to redesign Discord and you decide to stick with the unicorn-puking emoji-littered eye-scorching UX/UI garbage that Discord is? Interesting.

> So you have the chance to redesign Discord and you decide to stick with design that appeals to normal humans rather than turbonerds? Interesting.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #180

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Even IRC was better for data archiving and searching. We usually had local logs we could grep and web-indexed/searchable logs from bots. It's really insane how much information is on Discord that is both impossible to discover and will silently disappear at some point.

> We usually had local logs we could grep and web-indexed/searchable logs from bots. But only IF you are good at regex. On discord you can easily filter by date or date range, if it has media, if it contains an URL or what user/roll got mentioned.

Discord search won't even surface partial word matches or typos or matches in URLs (eg you share a facebook.com link then later on you search for "facebook", it won't show you that post).

Maybe there are some secret incantations I don't know about, but Discord search is positively useless most of the time and I have to manually scroll up until I find what I want (or give up).

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #9

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I mean, if you are looking for a Discord alternative, isn't the design/UX part of what you're looking for? If you want something that is the opposite of what you describe, IRC still exists and works well, but not sure many end-users would call it an alternative to Discord.

> isn't the design/UX part of what you're looking for? I think this applies to the original target audience, namely gamers, but as a general purpose chat application, e.g. as a support channel for software projects, the UI design of Discord is indeed atrocious. Of course, this begs the question why these projects adopted Discord in the first place. I guess the lack of a better alternative (that is not self-hosted)?

They use it because Discord works well and simply, with a rich feature set, that's largely free. And yeah, there aren't FOSS alternatives that actually match up.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #212

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Have you seen the UI? Nothing fit for adults, who value their attention and time.

Sorry, I don't see it. I can quickly jump around channels and server with shortcuts, the UI looks similar to other chat apps. Auto-Embed can be disabled, if that steals your attention. Or what do you mean?

They just don't like the design and are choosing a condescending way of framing it.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #352

Pushing what used to occur on web forums into Discord chats has been a net loss for the Internet.

"Push" is the right word, because moderating web forums was always a labor of love, and automated trolling/spamming has only gotten easier and more prevalent, not to mention anti-mod culture.

It's just too hard to moderate a space with so little friction, and any friction you add chases away all but the most dedicated users -- and the most dedicated users are often the ones more likely to get entangled in some insane drama and try to burn the whole place to the ground.

It's a difficult problem. I've always wondered what it would actually cost to actually, properly moderate a reasonably sized forum if you paid a professional mod team real wages and gave them proper tools. Probably way more than we would guess.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Speaking from being very early on the train for Discord, it also had an extremely solid userbase right from the start because much of the early pre-marketing pull into it was for raid groups in the then-new Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. People really needed a chat client to coordinate a big number of players and it was totally free, functional, and new on the scene. It spread a ton in the community and the peopl…

Teamspeak and others were so well entrenched at the time. Wouldn't players of WoW, CS, etc. have brought those tools to FFXIV? What made that special?

Discord's killer feature for my money has always been that ever user in a call gets a slider bar (and mute button) to control the volume they hear ever other individual user in the call

Zoom, in 2025, still makes you wait for the host to figure out which of the 30 other people has a dog incessantly barking or is causing the echo or has horrible feedback, and then try to talk them through fixing it before finally muting them.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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It's unclear if voice/video are supported or not?

Voice is kinda supported, in the sense that they implemented the feature years ago and then proceeded to decide to do a huge rewrite that they've also decided blocks any sort of improvement or iteration on their voice chat features. Last I checked we're like 3 years into said big rewrite with 0 improvements to voice chat.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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I thought the main value of discord was quick and solid voice / game stream integration. I rarely feel any connection between servers, but that might just be me.

It was a little bit of everything, really. Discord exploded in popularity because: 1. Its free functionality was more generous than many comparable services. Nobody wants to pay for a Mumble server. 2. Its UI and audio quality and noise cancellation settings put much of the competition to shame. 3. Only needing one account for every Discord server in existance gave it the same kind of appeal that let Reddit/Facebook…

If you can handle a ton of users on not much hardware it’s quite easy to offer a generous free tier. The more “high touch” (resources per interaction) your SaaS is the more VC money you’re setting on fire trying to achieve a network effect.

And during a downturn the high touch services lose customers faster because part of the virtue signaling of cost cutting is choosing cheaper options that take a bit more work.

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