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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by foldr »

kelipso wrote: post #313
foldr wrote: post #306

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You really think that this conflict has no repercussions or implications for US interests?

No, if the US considers it be a regional conflict, then that's all it will be in terms of repercussions or interests. Maybe in terms of vague geopolitical concerns that might be relevant decades from now, though even that is unclear, but the US is too powerful to have repercussions from not being involved in this conflict.

China and other countries don’t see it that way. They are looking for signals as to what they might be able to get away with, now that the US has decided that it chose the wrong team during the Cold War.

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Post by skeletal88 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #32

while pausing the “aid” may save the US gov money; the money was mostly coming back to the US anyway in the form of weapons purchases. NYT: > The order takes effect immediately and affects more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition in the pipeline and on order. Mr. Trump’s directive also halts hundreds of millions of dollars in aid that Kyiv can use only to buy new military hardware directly from U.S. defense compan…

And everyone in Europe will want our governments and armies to stop buying stuff made in the US, especially weapons and ammo.

Why support your country with our money if you don't want to support us at all?

Your defence companies will face huge losses because of this.

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Post by foldr »

rayiner wrote: post #308
foldr wrote: post #306

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You really think that this conflict has no repercussions or implications for US interests?

“Repercussions or implications for US interests” is layering attenuation upon attenuation. That can’t be the standard.

You’re misapprehending the logic of the discussion. OP suggests that this is a regional conflict without implications for US interests (see their response to my comment if you think my interpretation is off). I said, “Really?” My questioning that claim doesn’t imply any commitment to the claim that the US must intervene in all conflicts that have implications for US interests.

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Post by skeletal88 »

egberts1 wrote: post #360
Justsignedup wrote: post #344

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Just so you know. The Ukranian constitution states no elections during war. All political opponents have come out and said we will hold elections after victory. Nobody is against postponement. Ukraine has had healthy consistent elections since the Russian backed government was booted out.

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What, no. I guess he would rather do something else than be a wartime president.

trump should call putin a dictator, because.. he obviously is, but for some reason he chose to attack Zelensky instead.

How can there be elections when there are millions of people displaced, there are large parts of the country occupied and huge part of the population is on the front defending the country.

This "dictator" stuff is just straight russian propaganda, that americans have been swallowing up because someone told trump it was true.

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Post by bryant »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #317
ponector wrote: post #175

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Also you can donate directly for the kamikaze drones here: https://www.sternenkofund.org/donate They are extremely effective in countering russian troops. One drone costs as little as 500$

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Post by walls »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #278
bradhe wrote: post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

Yet we're still sending truck loads of money and gear to Israel.

This is purely about Trump helping Putin.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ponector wrote: post #329
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #319

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I think you are going to have to convince Putin. Good luck with that!

That is why Trump is pushing Ukraine to accept capitulation on Russian terms. Like to give Russia two big cities Zaporizhzhia and Kherson they have no control of.

The rare earth deal, or "raw earth" as Trump calls it, seems to actually be with Russia instead of Ukraine. Trump has decided he can spend nothing and eventually drop sanctions and in return, Russia will give the US access to Ukraine's mineral wealth.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #369
insane_dreamer wrote: post #359

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Except that one one country is resisting invasion by its bigger bully neighbor that is killing its civilian population, while the other is the bigger bully neighbor killing a civilian population and reducing it to rubble. A pretty clear indication that America stands on the side of the aggressors and doesn’t give a fuck about you know ordinary people being killed. Shameful.

The ethical "who's who" is irrelevant for US, in both cases they have "big beautiful ocean" inbetween.

Well, you know, some of us don't like watching people be killed for no reason, even if there is an ocean between us.

It becomes a question for the US: "Are you who you have said you were for the last 80 years? Or are you just power with no morals?" I think that's actually a relevant question. Who are we going to be?

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Post by openasocket »

rayiner wrote: post #243

It seems like Ukraine is insisting on a “security guarantee.” Can someone explain how the U.S. providing a security guarantee wouldn’t increase the risk of american boots on the ground in Ukraine?

In the near term, Ukraine wants continued delivery of military equipment. In the end game, they want any sort of peace treaty ending this war to include NATO/EU/US support. Ideally, in the form of NATO membership. This is crucial to ensure that any peace deal would be lasting. Putin has repeatedly stated that he does not believe a Ukrainian state has a right to exist, and has engaged in military operations against them for over a decade at this point. There is no chance a peace deal will endure without some sort of security guarantee from another power.
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