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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #286
Mistletoe wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

First of all, US population has been steadily growing, so I don't get why big business (whose interests current administration represent) would need to engage in long-term culture engineering for steady supply of new workers.

Second of all, majority of US population is urban. People in NY or Bay Area can't elect a president who represents their interests due to how Electoral College is designed but attempting to change their opinions on having children by banning porn is a pipe dream.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by unsungNovelty »

LeChuck wrote: post #330

It's fascinating how any Firefox thread here inevitably devolves into accusations that Mozilla has abandoned users and a push to switch to alternatives, despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor.

It's disheartening to see people playing villification of users when it is the companies (yeah, mozilla CORPORATION) that went back on their words. Just cos you did something good in the past isn't and shouldn't be an excuse to do bad things now.

Also, why are we talking as if we haven't seen these same things happening to favourite products/companies over and over again? You don't need to be an analyst to put things together.

Tell me why I should care when they gave up Rust and MDN to competitors with the excuse of no money and then gave the boss a heft hike with an ever decreasing userbase? Would any company give a hike of this margin to it's employee when their product is doing bad in the market?

They kept doing things against the community. And then they bought an ad company, then this change. ENSHITTIFICATION IS WRITTEN ON THE WALL IN BOLD LETTERS. Let them backtrack.

Still very very disappointed. We are supposed to be a community who should be thinking through things. This isn't a new scenario. We have seen this so many times.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by throawayonthe »

kazinator wrote: post #134

> Mozilla can suspend or end anyone’s access to Firefox at any time for any reason, including if Mozilla decides not to offer Firefox anymore. On what planet is that free, open source? Can you imagine: "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) can suspend anyone's access to GNU Emacs at any time for any reason, including if the FSF decides not to offer GNU Emacs any more".

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by rvz »

All talk of "Privacy", "Principles" and "Promises" from Mozilla was already empty as they were completely dependent on Google's money.

This should surprise absolutely no-one and Mozilla never cared about their claims of privacy or their users as long as Google was paying them.

So now we know that when it comes down to the wire as their biggest customer (Google) was under anti-trust scrutiny; indirectly threatening Mozilla's deal with Google, They once again chose to violate the privacy of their users to sell their data to other companies like Google.

For Mozilla, money has always crushed their so-called "principles".

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by DecoySalamander »

havaloc wrote: post #146
kazinator wrote: post #134

> Mozilla can suspend or end anyone’s access to Firefox at any time for any reason, including if Mozilla decides not to offer Firefox anymore. On what planet is that free, open source? Can you imagine: "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) can suspend anyone's access to GNU Emacs at any time for any reason, including if the FSF decides not to offer GNU Emacs any more".

Let's not forget this post: https://web.archive.org/web/20210109032814/https://blog.mozi...

This post was what finally pushed me to switch after years of growing dissatisfaction.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by tpoacher »

Clickbait title. I have read what is linked there and it claims no such thing.

At best, if you read through the notices, input data can be used to train personalised AI chatbots (running locally) IF you give your consent at the time of activation.

There's a lot of vitriol in the comments below but nobody seems to have read what is linked here.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by yupyupyups »

itake wrote: post #368
yupyupyups wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actions speak louder than words. Firefox (including derivatives) is by far the most fingerprint resistant and adblock friendly webbrowser there is. In terms of features, it's very rich and always improving. Mozilla also maintains arguably the best web development resource there is, which is MDN. Mozilla's internal problems aside, some people really don't appreciate how successful Firefox, Thunderbird and MDN have bee…

> Firefox (including derivatives) is by far the most fingerprint resistant Do you have a source? The fingerprint detectors [0] as well as reddit's banned/duplicate account system suggests otherwise. Maybe at one point Firefox stopped the fingerprinting, but the tools have quickly found other ways to uniquely identify me. [0] - https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/kcarter?aat=1 https://firstpartysimulator.org/kcarter?&aat=…

Try Mullvad Browser or Librewolf, both of which are derived from Firefox.

These projects are made possible because of Firefox's customizability and feature set.

Firefox has a fingerprint resist toggle that may not be on when using vanilla Firefox.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by rvense »

_mitterpach wrote: post #366

Link directly to the Github commit: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... , which links to the following issue: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/issues/16016 There are a bunch of locked Google docs linked in the issue, probably internal privacy guidelines. I can't say that this surprises me, perhaps they are looking for alternate revenue streams in case Google cuts them out? To HN: Will yo…

Yeah, I've been a Firefox user and Mozilla supporter for approaching two decades now, even used to donate monthly to the foundation. I'm furious over this. I installed LibreWolf on my personal machines last night and expect to uninstall Firefox after work today.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by gf000 »

lukan wrote: post #353
yupyupyups wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actions speak louder than words. Firefox (including derivatives) is by far the most fingerprint resistant and adblock friendly webbrowser there is. In terms of features, it's very rich and always improving. Mozilla also maintains arguably the best web development resource there is, which is MDN. Mozilla's internal problems aside, some people really don't appreciate how successful Firefox, Thunderbird and MDN have bee…

"Actions speak louder than words. " Indeed. Talking about privacy and having spyware and ads activated by default and now this probably to legally safeguard this and more speak a very clear language. The only reason to still use FF is indeed, that the competition is worse in this regard. But that will change, once Ladybird becomes mature enough.

Pinging a Mozilla server to see if there is an active and usable internet connection is not spyware, let's stop with these useless accusations.

It's a product which optionally does accept some help from the users, e.g. opt-in error reports, which is a huge help. Certain people consider that a blatant violation of their rights for some reason, and they would apparently rather see the last bastion of a non-chrome internet die.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Symbiote »

tpoacher wrote: post #376

Clickbait title. I have read what is linked there and it claims no such thing. At best, if you read through the notices, input data can be used to train personalised AI chatbots (running locally) IF you give your consent at the time of activation. There's a lot of vitriol in the comments below but nobody seems to have read what is linked here.

Secondly, text typed into the search/address bar is sent to them for "suggestions" and to broadly categorize the search ("travel"). Turn this off if you don't want it.

Thirdly, they'll be notified if you click an advert on the new tab page. Again, this can be turned off

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