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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by randunel »

gambiting wrote: post #212
randunel wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XC40 was renamed to EX40 in 2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC40 .

There is an EX40, that's the EV model. But the XC40 still continues to be sold: https://www.volvocars.com/uk/cars/xc40/

The wikipedia link literally quotes:

> In 2024, Volvo renamed the battery electric XC40 to the Volvo EX40, aligning it with newer battery electric models such as the EX30 and the EX90.

Which makes me think Volvo sold their cars with the old name but other engine options, electric being one of them. They split "XC40" into "XC40 (ICE)" and "EX40 (BEV)".

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by yreg »

michaelt wrote: post #333
yreg wrote: post #154

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> who buys a car brand in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? I too have bought a TM3 in Slovakia. The closest Tesla service center to Bratislava is 50 kilometers away, in Vienna. What's the problem with not having a branch here as well?

If the purchase goes well, the vehicle is reliable, spare parts are easily available, and nobody has to resort to legal action? No problem. On the other hand, if I buy a car in Holland, get it serviced in Austria, and register and drive it in Slovakia - which legal system governs the transaction? Which country's consumer rights protections do I get? It would be jolly inconvenient if the manufacturer ripped me off, an…

Consumer protection follows the place of purchase and they are quite strong and very similar in the EU.

I mean if I was super worried (as a Slovak) I could buy the car in Czech Republic which has pretty much identical consumer protection laws (and all Slovaks understand Czech well and vice versa).

I bought mine in Slovenia. I understand Slovenian somewhat as well, but that didn't influence the decision.

Fortunately I had zero issues in over 3 years and the car works great, but of course I could have been less lucky – I know that.

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Post by 4ndrewl »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #366
lostlogin wrote: post #188

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They just don’t die. My 16 year old one seemed end of life 10 years ago and when I holed the sump, I was resigned to getting it wrecked. After driving it for a few months it didn’t die so I took it to a mechanic. I got told off for my dry sump technique and told not to do it again. It got a new pan and some oil, that was it. It’s done 5 or so years of light service since. It’s been stolen, carried masses of firewood,…

> They just don’t die Because they only have features of 90s car, not 2020s car. It's just shockingly bare. A lot of times coupled with dull drivers so must be some confirmation bias too.

No-one:

Manufacturers: "Did someone say heated seats-as-a-service?"

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Post by mcv »

tomp wrote: post #350
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

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If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

It's literally illegal. In the EU, it's illegal to sell cars that don't have back camera, not beeping if seatbelt not fastened, and not beeping if speed limit is exceeded.

Our new car beeps constantly for unclear reasons and doesn't explain why. It's not helpful and I'd like it to stop.

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Post by fouc »

stevage wrote: post #310
musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

>Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him OP doesn't make any implication about Musk at all, his name is only mentioned in passing. >I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. This is not a useful contribution. Obviously there are many satisfied Tesla customers. No one doubts this. The point of an article like this is to bring to light just how bad a Tesla experienc…

OP did mention Musk in the last paragraph of the blog post.

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Post by plasticchris »

fouc wrote: post #358
dan-robertson wrote: post #334

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Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars…

[citation required] I wonder if there's even any citations that can directly show that a 2024 car is "much" safer than a 2004 car. Without relying on NHTSA's safety rating system, which is an indirect proxy at most (and probably has changed multiple times for "reasons"). And without being confounded by changes in regulatory measures.

Look at the statistics over time?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...

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Post by lloeki »

sandworm101 wrote: post #271
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> just want a luxury car that is grand, silent, feels nice, is nice to drive, and doesn't blast my eyes with screens. '92 BMW 325IS. Coupe. Strait-six. RWD. 5-speed Manual. Cornered like on rails. Never once suprised me with a random shift at a dangerous moment. Had a great little trip computer. No screens. No bluetooth. About 7L/100km. I took it skiing. I took it rock climbing. It drove me to my exams. It drove me t…

> It was full of little optimizations

Sounds almost as if the car was designed to cater for the user of it that holds the responsibility of hurtling a metric ton of metal at unnatural speeds instead of being a living room on wheels. Who'd have thought of such revolutionary ideas.

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Post by ldoughty »

fouc wrote: post #358
dan-robertson wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to note the trade-off here: modern cars are much safer in crashes than even cars from ~20 years ago, and the less computer you want, the further back in time you need to go to find suitable cars. There are nuances to the safety thing: some brands were/are safer, more popular car designs today tend to have some features that may worsen safety (taller cars are less stable, heavier cars handle worse, big heavy cars…

[citation required] I wonder if there's even any citations that can directly show that a 2024 car is "much" safer than a 2004 car. Without relying on NHTSA's safety rating system, which is an indirect proxy at most (and probably has changed multiple times for "reasons"). And without being confounded by changes in regulatory measures.

I think it depends on what you're trying to gauge for safety.

Pre-2000 satedy improvements were heavily about WHEN you get into an accident...

Post 2000 it is heavily is heavily DON'T get into an accident, and it's heavily electronic. Anti-lock breaks, lane change vehicle detectors, unintentional lane change warnings, auto-breaking before collisions.

I certainly agree with the general vibe that cars do too much now, but I'd rather have a dumbified 2010+ish car

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Post by randunel »

contravariant wrote: post #324

> Tilburg (Holland). Try not to call them Hollanders, except possibly during national football matches. Tilburg is in an area of the Netherlands that has quite a strong regional identity (and that region is not Holland). You can call them Brabanders if you want to use the regional demonym. Also that regional identity is going to be quite strong until carnaval has passed, should you visit any time soon.

There are quite a few countries where the name of The Netherlands is a transliterated or translated "Holland". Even if the respective national governments where the name was misused started using the name The Kingdom of the Lower Countries, as it happened in most European countries, the popular name "Holland" still stuck, and everyone knows you're referring to the country, not the region.
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