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Re: Operator research preview

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Post by gessha »

urghcorpoblab wrote: post #350
karpathy wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Ope…

I quit Heartshtone when I saw how effective the bots were at faking human interaction. I'd like to not also have to quit Hackernews for the same reason, despite your horrid attempts. Luckily... > It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. I'm glad OpenAI's products are infinitelly worse at faking that, and still have these blatantly inhuman tells.

Paper MTG is at your local game shop. WoTC also have Spelltable where you can play paper magic but with online friends.

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Post by gessha »

lm28469 wrote: post #348
Nimitz14 wrote: post #317

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I can't wait. Gated community's with real ID logins can't come soon enough. I want to know who I'm talking to.

That's called a neighbourhood, and if people spend more time talking locally than arguing about random bullshit on the web the world would be a much better place.

I think the point is to have both and not be forced to.

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Post by thiht »

new_user_final wrote: post #334
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

When I was reading this comment, I asked myself why karpathy writes like an AI. Then got disclaimer it was written by AI.

Same for me, I read "The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator" and immediately knew this was AI garbage. Not sure what was the point of the comment.

Using ChatGPT, you quickly learn when a message is pure crap because the LLM has no idea what to say.

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Post by jgalt212 »

I think one could base a Modern Family episode around Phil Dunphy's unsuccessful usage of this feature. He books a first class flight to Fiji, instead of coach to Chicago. He sells his house to Blackstone, and gets an A instead of a C- on one of Haley's take home exams.

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Post by Dotnaught »

karpathy wrote: post #246
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

This is the video of how the parent comment was made: https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de05... But there are many things missing from the video. - Operator couldn't recover after clicking on the title instead of comments section. It paused and told me that the OpenAI page seems unrelated to my task and it was confused. I had to tell it to click on "comments" not on the title. - Not shown is tha…

So how much did it cost to do this?

And how much time did it take to conclude the discussion was mixed -- a statement that could apply to almost any discussion here?

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Post by sedgjh23 »

swatcoder wrote: post #248
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Even before AI, bots were inevitable. Take Reddit for example, bots farming karma in every large subreddit, indistinguishable to the average user. I think the concept of an implicitly trusting public square is mostly gone and it’s probably the smart thing to be very skeptical of what you’re reading/interacting with. Nowhere with a text input field has been safe for a long time. With recent developments in AI, audio, images, and video are out the window too.

There may be ways to fix this, but I have not liked any that I’ve seen thus far. Identity verification is probably the closest thing we’ll get.

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Post by joshmlewis »

I gave it a research task to go and find certain government portals within a specific region. It found around 12 of them successfully although it would only do 4-5 at a time and I had to prompt it to keep going. When I asked it to put all of the links in one plaintext list with the full url not hyperlinked, it absolutely could not. It just kept repeating the same list with hyperlinks over and over. It doesn't seem to be setup quite yet to do the kind of data gathering where you can have it collect data and then also refine it in the same chat. Otherwise I'm still impressed by the workarounds it would do if it got stuck. Some of the portals are a pain to find.

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

sky2224 wrote: post #191
TeMPOraL wrote: post #169

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I don't. Chat interface sucks; for most of these things, a more direct interface could be much more ergonomic, and easier to operate and integrate. The only reason we don't have those interfaces is because neither restaurants, nor airlines, nor online stores, nor any other businesses actually want us to have them. To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their goals - it's a platform for…

I think the chat interface is bad, but for certain things it could honestly streamline a lot of mundane things as the poster you're replying two stated. For example, McDonald's has heavily shifted away from cashiers taking orders and instead is using the kiosks to have customers order. The downside of this is 1) it's incredibly unsanitary and 2) customers are so goddamn slow at tapping on that god awful screen. An AI…

Yes. Chat is absolutely bad, because it is opaque. It perfectly reproduces what used to be called "hunt the verb" in gaming, for the same reason. The simple truth is you're interacting with a piece of software, with features and subroutines. GUIs are great at surfacing features, affordances, changing with context. A chat interface invites you to guess.

LLMs, if used at all, aren't aware enough to even know what the software can do, and many actual chat UIs are worse than that!

My "favourite" design pattern for chat UIs is to invite you type, freely, whatever you like, then immediately enter a wizard "flow" like it's 1991 and entirely discard everything you typed. Pure hostility.

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #169
gordon_freeman wrote: post #155

What is fascinating about this announcement is if you look into future after considerable improvements in product and the model, we will be just chatting with ChatGPT to book dinner tables, flights, buy groceries and do all sort of mundane and hugely boring things we do on the web, just by talking to the agents. I'd definitely love that.

I don't. Chat interface sucks; for most of these things, a more direct interface could be much more ergonomic, and easier to operate and integrate. The only reason we don't have those interfaces is because neither restaurants, nor airlines, nor online stores, nor any other businesses actually want us to have them. To a business, the user interface isn't there to help the user achieve their goals - it's a platform for…

Yes. Chat is absolutely bad, because it is opaque. It perfectly reproduces what used to be called "hunt the verb" in gaming, for the same reason. The simple truth is you're interacting with a piece of software, with features and subroutines. GUIs are great at surfacing features, affordances, changing with context. A chat interface invites you to guess.

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by karaterobot »

dang wrote: post #301
gyomu wrote: post #255

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@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Edit: but karpathy's posts in this thread are fine - see my clarifying comment downthread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42816589

Would you consider updating the guidelines to this effect?
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