My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

Post by casey2 » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:50 AM UTC

dcchambers wrote: post #219

I think one thing few are willing to admit is that a large blame for this can be placed on disinterested parents. Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. When kids are at home, parents should be involved in the learning process. You don't have to be a helicopter and monitor everything, but you should take interest in the work your child is doing. If you check in at least onc…

Post by jjice » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 1:05 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #371

jjice wrote: post #232

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> Parents that believe it is solely the school/teacher's job to educate their child. My sister works with kids on their speech at a school and she's said that it's _bad_ how many children can't read or tell you what letter their first name starts with. She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings because of this, but those are things that their parents teach them! I thought the "kids are il…

Pedantic, but: > She says that the teachers are getting flack at parent-teacher meetings “flak” (strong criticism, derived by metaphor from anti-aircraft fire) not “flack” (a public relations agent).

Post by tayo42 » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 1:17 AM UTC

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #275

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If we flipped the lecture/homework system upside down it would first solve some of the major issues with how we deliver education, but as a side effect prevent the appearance of doing the work while really it's just the student mindlessly copying prompts and responses. Assign the material for outside the classroom. Use the in-person contact time to work through the problems, with a mix of small group, pairing and men…

This is good. I've never understood the value of watching a live lecture without interactivity. You might as well watch a video. It works on multiple levels: it mitigates the cheating, but also takes advantage of the vast array of learning options available to replace the traditional lecture. I cringe at the "small group" suggestion, although I acknowledge it's probably good to learn to coordinate with others. Rarely…

Post by satvikpendem » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 1:25 AM UTC

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Sounds highly unreliable to me. I would be very surprised if ChatGPT was ever confrontational enough to give out a lower grade like D or F. It also wouldn't surprise me if the grade-letter it chooses tends to be off by one or more grade-letters just due to natural variance/subjectivity of grading and hallucinations.

GPT is blunt, critical, and highly opinionated if you tell it to be. That's what I don't get about people on this forum. GENERATIONS of STEM professionals who have it engraved in their head that a computer will only do what you tell it to - and nothing more, and they still don't think to simply just tell GPT what lens they want it to view content in, or give it accurate and necessary directives. They think it'll hand…

Post by satvikpendem » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 1:27 AM UTC

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In France the extreme majority of your grades comes from in-class exams that are essay-based or at least long format rather than multi-choice like in the US. Homeworks are just exercises to learn and aren't graded. This entirely solves ALL the problems introduced by LLMs. The US just needs to adapt their evaluation system.

At my high school, teachers were given a lot of freedom to decide their own grading, but had the rule that the final could not be more than 20% of your grade. Typically, homework ended up being 50%. I failed my Geometry class despite getting 110% on the final (She had some hard extra-credit questions that went beyond what we learned) because I didn't do a single homework assignment. Meanwhile, this high school made a…