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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by crispinb »

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #300

no thanks, we don't need the next thierry to have an expanded fief to "regulate". if anything, canada should model itself closer to the states with more personal freedoms and less regulation. there is a lot of land and resources to develop, the politicians need to just stop trying to maintain the status quo and aggressively try to develop all the land we have. the idea that we can't is a loser's mentality.

Your malevolent childs-ego-inflated-to-national 'winners vs losers' notion will inevitably, if not expunged, make losers of us all. My 'us' is of course unimaginable to your minuscule 'me'.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by bdangubic »

duskwuff wrote: post #284
paxys wrote: post #156

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Canada has a population of 40 million in a land area larger than the USA. That's hardly "too many people". Too many people in a handful of dense urban centers maybe, but overall the country is basically empty.

> overall the country is basically empty. Because much of the landmass is uninhabitable. For instance, Nunavut is about 20% larger than Alaska, yet has less than one tenth its population - because most of the province is tundra. Even building a road through it is iffy - a city? Forget it.

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by brailsafe »

deepsun wrote: post #231
skissane wrote: post #179

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I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

Just a nitpick -- the "overheated property market" sounds like a bad thing, but I don't understand why it must be that way. In the end -- property developers are Canadian companies, and must bathe in money. "Younger Canadians" must be enjoying elevated salaries at these companies. The only reason I see why it is that way is when other Canadians restrict the supply of real estate (NIMBY) to inflate their own property…

That may be true, but money is still expensive, lead times are absurd, and we have a small number of companies who probably make most of their money jsut by owning the land regardless of whether it's developed or not. Likewise, even if you're making very good money in one of a scarce few highly specialized or senior positions, you'll need to be doing so for an extended period of time, and probably make much more than even that, along with your spouse, to buy a place.

Vancouver (the city) is a town where a 2 bedroom condo built in the last 20 years is likely going to run ~$1m, and where some 1 bedroom places go for that. The suburbs are a smidge better but not by much. A house, albeit probably a comically large and stupid one on the outskirts near nothing of flavor could be $1.5m-$2m

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Post by Dalewyn »

jt2190 wrote: post #333
wvenable wrote: post #306

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In Canada, one cannot lump all immigrants together even those from the same part of the world. Canada used to be pretty strict on immigration only allowing highly skilled individuals from all over the world. But in the last decade this has changed to just importing as many bodies as possible. I won't go into the reasons for this change but it has dramatically altered the character of the country in this time. We have…

Canada is in a demographic crisis: The birthrate is too low, the population is aging and the country can’t afford to provide people with all of the social benefits AND have no laborers paying in to the benefit system. Importing lots of young labor rebalances the demographics and bolsters funding of benefits, at the expense of a housing crisis and social tensions. The alternative is to deeply cut benefits, which is po…

>Importing lots of young labor

Everything old is new again, in this case slavery.

What century is this, the 17th? I thought we graduated from hauling tons of slaves across oceans.

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Post by foxglacier »

Neonlicht wrote: post #312
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215

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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Yes this is where I split from my fellow leftists. I will not allow a parallel society to exist. The daughters of Indian parents will be granted the same rights as those of Western parents. There will be no dowries and no caste system.

I'm pretty sure typical leftists don't want castes and dowries. They might seem to want them by saying "let people practice their own culture" but that's just because they haven't specifically thought about those practices.

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Post by idiotsecant »

nemo44x wrote: post #341
xen2xen1 wrote: post #243

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I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

> Diversity is wonderful Why? You literally say on your very next sentence that it’s not - that diversity must be destroyed through integration and a melting pot. Diversity and immigration always has a cost and that’s the destruction of your existing culture in part. Sometimes that tradeoff is worth it. But you can’t overdo it. And getting pissed at the people that don’t integrate is barking up the wrong tree. They n…

I get some amusement out of people who are afraid of other cultures. Having a lot of cultures smooshed together is a culture. How do you think you got the culture you have now? Pro tip: the culture that existed when you were 12 years old might seem like it's the most emotionally 'correct' but it represents a blip in time and is no more or less significant than what came before or after it.

Have some sense of perspective and you'll be less likely to turn into an old bitter man, shaking his fist at clouds.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #251
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215

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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Idk the Amish are pretty chill for not integrating. And if immigrants come and integrate into existing gang culture, would you actually be happy? I think it is ok to just say “we don’t want poor immigrants. We want immigrants with something to offer.”

Yes precisely but the corporations asking for cheap labor did want poor immigrants with no options and the government caved and did basically no vetting for millions of people.

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Post by FpUser »

wvenable wrote: post #306
titanomachy wrote: post #175

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

In Canada, one cannot lump all immigrants together even those from the same part of the world. Canada used to be pretty strict on immigration only allowing highly skilled individuals from all over the world. But in the last decade this has changed to just importing as many bodies as possible. I won't go into the reasons for this change but it has dramatically altered the character of the country in this time. We have…

>"We have essentially imported an entire massive underclass to run all our fast food restaurants and other such jobs."

This

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

mistermann wrote: post #366
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #273

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Reddit is completely astroturfed and shouldn't be taken as an real-world indication of political sentiments on any issue. However, turning to racist policy in light of economic crisis is not new, the last time Americans deported people of Mexican descent in droves was during the aftermath of the Great Depression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation Humanity will just have to relearn the lessons of the…

>Reddit is completely astroturfed What % of the Reddit userbase is non-legitimate, what is the source of the illegitimate users, and what is the source of your knowledge on this matter?

Astroturfing does not equal botting, although I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many bot farms active on Reddit.

The platform is virtually designed to be manipulated now, awards being an egregious example. Here’s an article about one such astroturfing campaign from folks who do not share my political tendencies: https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/29/busted-the-inside-story...

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Post by brailsafe »

bdangubic wrote: post #372
duskwuff wrote: post #284

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> overall the country is basically empty. Because much of the landmass is uninhabitable. For instance, Nunavut is about 20% larger than Alaska, yet has less than one tenth its population - because most of the province is tundra. Even building a road through it is iffy - a city? Forget it.

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