I have been using Perplexity 95% of the time this past year.
Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s
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#372google's playbook from the 2000s was to run a search engine based on a novel ranking algorithm that actually worked with a ui designed by engineers who like things fast, simple and minimal.
the rest of the process described herein has been best described by cory doctorow as "enshitification."
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It’s just not possible. You can do a lot with nondeterministic systems, they have value - but oranges and apples. They need to coexist.
ideal (def. #2) = Existing only in the mind; conceptual, imaginary https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ideal (We’re allowed to imagine the impossible.)
Fair, I am loath to take away your dreams!
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If your calorie intake is just 1500 today, it is bad advice. If your calorie surplus is 1800, it is good advice. But I wonder, were those few words the full response? Information hiding to prove a point is too easy.
A calorie surplus of 1800/day is ~190 lbs/yr. Is that something people actually do?
Yes. You can't just say that someone eating 1800 over the recommended 2000 will perpetually gain weight. Weight maintenance calories will depend on the weight of the person.
A 500lbs man will need to consume 4000kcals/day to not lose weight. Cutting 1800 of that is realistic and might be good advice on the LLM's part, so it really depends on how GP asked the question.
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I have tried the same, and had ChatGPT utterly fail. > me: what's the relatively recent movie with a pig on the movie poster > gpt: The movie you're referring to is likely "Pig," a 2021 American drama film. It stars Nicolas Cage as a truffle hunter who lives alone in the Oregon wilderness. He embarks on a quest to find his beloved foraging pig after she is kidnapped. The film was directed by Michael Sarnoski . > me:…
Inb4 we all tell you you're using it wrong. There are certainly better ways to do this, but this is really the major thing that drives me nuts. No matter how many times I tell some LLM I want it to ask clarifying questions to provide better answers, it just won't. You end up doing exactly this, guessing what information might trigger the right recall.
if we formalize what might trigger the recall we could keep a mental model of it, maybe call it bangs, something like !wikipedia would only index data sourced from training on wikipedia..you might be on to something..
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There’s so much low effort, low hanging fruit that Google could do to improve results, that I just assume they've realized those things are unprofitable for them. I mean just de-ranking any article with an affiliate link alone would skyrocket the relevance of what content you surface on search. The problem for Google is, they’re incentivized to make the results worse than the SERP ads. If the organic results are too…
It's intentional. https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ Traditional search still works. Ask anyone who uses kagi. Google makes more money (for now) with garbage search, so they're optimizing for garbage. Thing is, garbage in, garage out, and it will eventually catch up with them (might already have given the disparity between Gemini and Claude/cgpt)
As an aside, I tried to love ddg before using kagi but I'd always revert to google with !g and end up not finding anything because google has sucked for the past 5 years
I've been using kagi and I've noticed that the only time I ever switch to google is for things that are truly local to where I am at the moment (restaurants, etc..).
Kagi is really great.
I've also been testing perplexity and I'm not that convinced yet. The only thing it's been decent at is finding relevant studies.
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> I very much agree this is effectivity a 'honeymoon' period. At this point I'd be much more interested to hear which "unicorn" tech company did not have such a honeymoon period which it later turned away from. This should really be the default, expected behaviour at this point.
> At this point I'd be much more interested to hear which "unicorn" tech company did not have such a honeymoon period which it later turned away from Doctolib in France (and Italy, Germany, Netherlands) is one such example. Founded in 2013 so decent life, still as good as in the beginning for both consumers (people booking healthcare appointments) and the customers (doctors paying to use it for their appointment mana…
Only criticism is that they've made it increasingly hard to book a doctor appointment for people who don't have a carte vital.
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A week ago, I was looking for the name of a semi obscure late 90ies computer game. Google could not help me given the description i gave Described it to ChatGPT, and we had a back and forth where I explained why the games it suggested me weren’t right, it eventually found the correct game (Nocturne) and was able to explain to me that half of the things I remembered from the game were just plain wrong, and that’s why…
I have tried the same, and had ChatGPT utterly fail. > me: what's the relatively recent movie with a pig on the movie poster > gpt: The movie you're referring to is likely "Pig," a 2021 American drama film. It stars Nicolas Cage as a truffle hunter who lives alone in the Oregon wilderness. He embarks on a quest to find his beloved foraging pig after she is kidnapped. The film was directed by Michael Sarnoski . > me:…
Ha ha, you should see what Google returns when you ask it for the recent movie with a pig on the movie poster.
(Hint: it is a film from 2021 starring Nicolas Cage.)
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#379Don't bet on AI staying clean. A lot of HN readers conceptualize the forces attacking the integrity of the search results as just some isolated people taking occasional potshots, and then maybe slinking away if their trick gets blocked. It is probably a lot more accurate to visualize the SEO industry as a Dark Google. Roughly as well resourced, with many smart people working on it full time, day in, day out, with inf…
I very much agree this is effectivity a 'honeymoon' period. Expect the SEO collective to shift focus on AI if the search approach becomes profitable in a few years. That said, given an "AI search" is estimated to be at least ten times [0] as expensive per query than traditional search, I hope you like ads. For those hoping to see that cost to go down, training costs for improved models have instead been going up . [1…
The kids running local LLM's then have the right idea. They can stop with the last, good dataset before Sellama (and AdGPT) poisoned the well.
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#380I may be overly cynical, may live in the rarified bubble of the tech-savvy, but I think Google as it has existed is already dead and doesn't yet know it.
Their search results have been less than useless to me for some years now. And then LLM's came along and have been my go-to for all queries.