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Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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I feel like it's better to have a "do use" list for something as important as a domain name registrar. - Namecheap - Cloudflare - Route 53 (if on AWS) Any others?

Hover is fine. Never had a domain shut down though. I have one on dynadot because Hover doesn't support the TLD, and the website sure is a lot more awkward.

Another happy Hover user. Been using them many years. Not the cheapest, but a reasonable markup and works well, and hasn't shown signs of enshittification. Knock on wood.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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I'm the one running itch.io, so here's some more context for you: From what I can tell, some person made a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud…

> The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud and phishing" going on, likely to cause escalation instead of doing the expected DMCA/cease-and-desist. Because of this, I honestly think they're the malicious actor in all of this.

I feel like there's also some missing layer of infrastructure here.

itch.io, like a lot of sites (HN being another), is meant to act as a host of user-generated content, over which the site takes a curatorial but not editorial stance. (I.e. the site has a Terms of Use; and has moderators that take things down / prevent things from being posted according to the Terms of Use; but otherwise is not favoring content according to the platform's own beliefs in the way that e.g. a newspaper would. None of the UGC posted "represents the views" of the platform, and there's no UGC that the platform would be particularly sad to see taken down.)

I feel like, for such arms-length-hosted UGC platforms, there should be a mechanism to indicate to these "brand protection" services (and phishing/fraud-detection services, etc) that takedown reports should be directed first-and-foremost at the platform itself. A mechanism to assert "this site doesn't have a vested interest in the content it hosts, and so is perfectly willing to comply with takedown requests pointed at specific content; so please don't try to take down the site itself."

There are UGC-hosting websites that brand-protection services already treat this way (e.g. YouTube, Facebook, etc) — but that's just institutional "human common sense" knowledge held about a few specific sites. I feel like this could be generalized, with a rule these takedown systems can follow, where if there's some indication (in a /.well-known/ entry, for example) that the site is a UGC-host and accepts its own platform-level abuse/takedown reports, then that should be attempted first, before trying to get the site itself taken down.

(Of course, such a rule necessarily cannot be a full short-circuit for the regular host-level takedown logic such systems follow; otherwise pirates, fraudsters, etc would just pretend their one-off phishing domains are UGC platforms. But you could have e.g. a default heuristic that if the takedown system discovers a platform-automated-takedown-request channel, then it'll try that channel and give it an hour to take effect before moving onto the host-level strategy; and if it can be detected from e.g. certificate transparency logs that the current ownership of the host is sufficiently long-lived, then additional leeway could be given, upgrading to a 24-72hr wait before host-takedown triggers.)

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Even if the suit is 100% justified (which it is in this case), and you can show damages, the problem will usually be of jurisdiction. Funko Pop is an American Company. BrandShield, the "Brand Protection Software" they used, is based out of Israel. iwantmyname, the registrar, is from New Zealand. They got bought out by Team Internet, which is British. And who knows where all of them are actually registered. They are a…

You sue the registrar, because you have the contract with the registrar.

You also sue the others, because they interfered with your contract with the registrar.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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How is Porkbun compared to Namecheap?

Porkbun is best on the market at this point. Namecheap I find is less easier to use and sometimes higher cost over time. I also haven’t had reliable domain renewal service from them when I used them. Granted this is all a few years back. I was at Cloudflare until this year when I switched to Porkbun and I’ve been very happy

Why'd you switch away from Cloudflare['s registrar]?

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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How is Porkbun compared to Namecheap?

Porkbun is best on the market at this point. Namecheap I find is less easier to use and sometimes higher cost over time. I also haven’t had reliable domain renewal service from them when I used them. Granted this is all a few years back. I was at Cloudflare until this year when I switched to Porkbun and I’ve been very happy

I tried porkbun after comments like yours when one of my domains needed renewal, but had to transfer out after one year when their payment gateway refused to work and was very poorly handling the situation while my domain risked expiration.

dynadot.com has been superior in my experience.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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A similar thing has happened to me before. There is a company with the same name as my surname with a trademark for it. When I registered a domain with my surname in it, the registrar had an automatic process in place that checked for this trademark and took away access of the domain. So far so good. The problem was that the registrar and its support then ghosted me and also never refunded me for the money already pa…

> When I registered a domain with my surname in it, the registrar had an automatic process in place that checked for this trademark and took away access of the domain. So far so good. I don't think this is good. Trademarks are country-specific, not global like domains. Further, within a country trademarks are only valid within the scope of certain classes, which means: * There will often be more than one trademark ho…

> Trademarks are country-specific, not global like domains.

Domains are also subject to local law! For ccTLDs, it's usually that of the country in question; for gTLD, to my knowledge the US has effective jurisdiction (through ICANN) over at least some of the popular gTLDs such as .com and .net.

"Local law" in this case doesn't just include actual laws on the books, but also the risk and cost of getting sued by either a trademark holder or a non-trademark-infringing domain owner.

This is exactly the type of issue that people usually don't consider when picking a TLD, vanity or otherwise.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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As long as you have some automated AI bot sent all the reports. It’s never fraud, you couldn’t have known it would do that.

Looks like AI is becoming a perfect excuse to do whatever you like. It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day. Do you just let such dog walk the streets without owner supervision?

> It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day.

In other words, a pit bull.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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A similar thing has happened to me before. There is a company with the same name as my surname with a trademark for it. When I registered a domain with my surname in it, the registrar had an automatic process in place that checked for this trademark and took away access of the domain. So far so good. The problem was that the registrar and its support then ghosted me and also never refunded me for the money already pa…

“iwantmyname”, from leafo’s post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364033

I find it curious that this (purely factual and correct) comment got downvoted/flagged into oblivion.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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If they are fully static couldn't they probably be run at close to 0 cost from you?

Yes I'm not the pope, it's a cheap server. Still doesn't make any money.

If it's a static site, you could move it to Cloudflare Pages to reduce the cost to zero.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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post #31

I'm the one running itch.io, so here's some more context for you: From what I can tell, some person made a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. The BrandShield software is probably instructed to eradicate all "unauthorized" use of their trademark, so they sent reports independently to our host and registrar claiming there was "fraud…

Smells like tortious interference to me... and likely some form of perjury. I'd probably stop talking to them now that service is restored and get in touch with legal representation.
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